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Toyota aren't at fault, but being the sole WRC27 maker doesn't work.. The fans view matters if they dont accept a one-sided Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Jon is entitled to his opinion and many agree with him. Spaceframe chassis hasnt worked in Rally1, attracting no new Manufacturers.
Jon is far more knowledgeable than the majority here.......
Absolutely, I'm only calling him out on the demonstrably false statements and I'm allowed to disagree with anybody's opinions and I enjoy discussing it too. He is knowledgeable and passionate and that's why I watch his channel, but he never considers the commercial side of things, just like a lot of people here - it's just always "look at what great egalitarian sport we have with Rally2" with no Socratic thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Spaceframe has worked in Rally1, if you reconsider that it didn't have a sole purpose to attract manufacturers. We're all still watching but I can't comment on safety, reliability or costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
As yet, Rally2 hasn't demonstrably attracted new manufacturers for 2027 either. Skoda said nothing! And I'll say this for the nth time and put it in bold before I get a reply, and this applies to Lancia: Attracting MANUFACTURERS is a commercial matter primarily, not a technical matter. Opening up to Rally2 permits more MAKES in the top class, not entries into the MANUFACTURERS championship. You've still got to sign those makes up, and this is the only thing that is pausing M-Sport commitment to WRC2027 and they already have a Rally2 car!
The FIA and current promoter say no to Rally2. As the new incoming promoter, can all the Rally2 fans tell me how they are going to put on shows all around the world and pay for it with All Live and which MANUFACTURERS and or MAKES they will have attracted, etc. I don't think they can because they never have considered it. Maybe I should start a thread for this.
You cant ask that as Rally2 hasn't been the top class, so current or new Manufacturers haven't entered as Teams. They just make and homologate their cars and let private teams buy and run them.
And going forward to 2027, Rally2 cars will be able to enter the top class but why would their Manufacturer enter as a Team until they know their car will have an equal chance vs a WRC27 Car ? This goes for existing makers like Skoda as well as any new ones thinking of joining.
And yes, attracting new Manufacturers was the main aim of the new spaceframe Rally1 change.
its a fun discussion but in my mind i'm very excited and only thinking about how many R5s are going to be in the events and how different the podiums and top10 are going to be in each round. thats it lol
It's a perfectly fair question. If you lobby for something you must care for and understand the consequences of what you are lobbying for? Especially for Jon where he is selling merch promoting the cause.
Everybody is panicking because nobody announced a WRC2027 car for 2027, yet nobody with a current Rally2 announced for 2027. Everything about power and drive will be equal, so I think that is about as fair and logical comparison as comparing a Rally2 Yaris with a Rally2 Ypsilon. Where are you expecting significant performance gaps - assuming there's no silent preferential treatment shown towards Toyota?
Rally1 was built to fit the hybrid system and safety cage else it needn't have been done. And WRC+ didn't even attract new manufacturers, neither did S-2000 WRC.
So why do you need a series of events forming a championship? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
I think we need to wait until the commercial deal gets done and what the vision of the series after that is before we all get bent out shape. I think whatever happens 2027 is going to be stop gap year, but it has happened before and I’m sure it will be ok in the end. Even 1997 with the WRC rules, only Subaru were ready, Ford had half a car, Mitsubishi carried on with Group A, Toyota came in half way through the season with the Corolla. So long as the WRC2027 car isn’t allowed to be miles faster than Rally2 cars, then it is what it is. Let’s not forget, Toyota have only been beaten once this season anyway, so if they dominate 2027 it won’t be much change.
why to watch mens racing cars in the middle of woods? whats the point? dont you have literally anything better or more interesting to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
hahaha just kidding mate. hmmmm you pointed an interesting point tbf.
the answer would be probably something like the whole "cultural" + "emotional" + "psychological" """weight"" of a world championship, maybe? the fun in following a big global championship chatting with some cool fellas on the internet haha
....weird answer? sorry. but thinking "logically", the answer is always kinda non-logical
idk, im going with that. 2027 will be fun because more racers will be around because its easier to find richier racers with R5s out there ready to try their luck in a big world championship event. thats the dream, right?
"I got a podium in the world championship, whoooa"
i guess thinking stuff like this made me relax a little bit about 2027. i was more worried and chatty about whats going to happen. now im more relaxed (in some way)
i remembered WEC having those 2 crappy years before things getting in place. maybe we are getting WRC into this moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
well, its better than worst moments in recent years like when wtcc died and became this weird souless tcr world series or world rx that just died. its just euroRX from now on with one world cup race or something like that.