Deutschland rally 2016

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

Oh dear God.

That's the best PR stunt they could come up with?

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Stunt ? What's wrong with the ERC drivers sending their best wishes to two of there former colleagues ?

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

From the start in this thread we (me) questioned the increased speed. And also earlier the way tarmac rallies have developed. Hinkelsteins are not safe as well, but in Lefebvre case they probably saved him from even worse outcome.

My worry is when the monster cars also called a new GrB era will cause the disaster we not want.

Solution is changes in grip an maybe also speed oc in combination with maybe cheaper and less technical cars (i.e. why not R5 in WRC?)

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I dont see the increase in speed making much difference... if a current WRC car went into spectators it would already cause carnage. At 150kph or 200kph its still a disaster.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

I dont see the increase in speed making much difference... if a current WRC car went into spectators it would already cause carnage. At 150kph or 200kph its still a disaster.

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150 or 200kph makes BIG difference on impact, regardning driver and codriver. Make your physics.

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

150 or 200kph makes BIG difference on impact, regardning driver and codriver. Make your physics.

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When you mention 'new Group B' and a 'disaster we dont want' I assumed you meant a crash involving spectators...

The new cars will be massively safer than the original Group B cars which were deathtraps.

Let's not exaggerate. The new WRC cars are not going to be new gr.B.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Let's not exaggerate. The new WRC cars are not going to be new gr.B.

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Exactly.

And a big company like VW for example wouldn't want to be associated with such a thing..

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Let's not exaggerate. The new WRC cars are not going to be new gr.B.

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Probably Rallyper meant in terms of lot of power. We should know what Group B means in terms of specification.

Times changed. That days when gr.B cars had 450 Hp, the common cars used to have 60-80 Hp. Today everybody can buy a car with hundreds of Hp for relatively small money (at least used ones) and nobody is going to be astonished by 400 Hp figure anymore. It was something completely crazy in 1985.

It wasnt the big power that was dangerous even then, it was the lightweight construction and placement of the fuel tank etc.

And the lack of all crowd control in many countries.

Yes, You are right. What I meant was that the main feature of the Gr.B was that it was something unbeliavably mad and crazy. You can't achieve such wow factor today.