Rally Argentina 2015

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

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the problem with Ostberg and Latvala is not that they are not fast/consistent/handsome... the main problem is that they do not show any adaptation skills... there is absolutely no way for ostberg to become faster and there is absolutely no way for latvala to learn how to drive...

Mikelsen on the other hand is at the start of his career and worth the full support of VW to prove himself that he can be a future star and not another latvala...
to put it simply so you can try and understand it...

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Ok - as we are in full patronising mode I will spell out the flaws in your bland assertions quoted above

Latvala has shown considerable adaptation in his ability to drive on tarmac in a period where nordic drivers have been at a disadvantage in that aspect.
His only error was to join a team where he can never feel No1, loved, valued respected even. Just as Ogier could never have made Citroen his team and just how Mikko suffered from taking the No 2 to Loeb position in 2012. He still has time and ability

Andreas Mikkelsen has enjoyed VAG favoured son status for 4 full seasons prior to 2015
2011 & 2012 IRC winner with considerable VAG suport (also Italian Rally Championship)
2012 VW training year in Skoda to familiarise himself with the WRC stages - so it wasn't surprising that when Ogier wasn't testing set ups he was able to show young Andreas what an S2000 is really capable of!
2013 & 2014 6 Podiums so far - none of which have ever been gained by challenging for the win. He is the Vulture of VW picking up podium places through the opposition trying to beat Ogier (including Latvala) instead of contenting themselves in keeping ahead of Mikkelsen - which Neuville, Ostberg, Meeke and Latvala all can do.
He really should have won an event by now if he was ever going to develop a WDC mentality.
Still despite his very average perfomances in a very good car, you clearly have the hots for him - he's a good looking man - you'll have to fight the teenage girls though!

Note to self: Next time do not bother.

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Ok - as we are in full patronising mode I will spell out the flaws in your bland assertions quoted above

Latvala has shown considerable adaptation in his ability to drive on tarmac in a period where nordic drivers have been at a disadvantage in that aspect.
His only error was to join a team where he can never feel No1, loved, valued respected even. Just as Ogier could never have made Citroen his team and just how Mikko suffered from taking the No 2 to Loeb position in 2012. He still has time and ability

Andreas Mikkelsen has enjoyed VAG favoured son status for 4 full seasons prior to 2015
2011 & 2012 IRC winner with considerable VAG suport (also Italian Rally Championship)
2012 VW training year in Skoda to familiarise himself with the WRC stages - so it wasn't surprising that when Ogier wasn't testing set ups he was able to show young Andreas what an S2000 is really capable of!
2013 & 2014 6 Podiums so far - none of which have ever been gained by challenging for the win. He is the Vulture of VW picking up podium places through the opposition trying to beat Ogier (including Latvala) instead of contenting themselves in keeping ahead of Mikkelsen - which Neuville, Ostberg, Meeke and Latvala all can do.
He really should have won an event by now if he was ever going to develop a WDC mentality.
Still despite his very average perfomances in a very good car, you clearly have the hots for him - he's a good looking man - you'll have to fight the teenage girls though!

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+10

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Note to self: ANY time do not bother.

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We could only wish.. We'll struggle on and the Whirled Rally Chmpignonskit will muddle along without you.
Don't let the door hit you on your way out!

Speaking again about the rally I want to make amend.
I've said the rally was too rough for the cars and I was disappointed about all the drivers having problems but I have changed my mind. Rally is not only about pure speed, but also endurance, and drivers skills include also the ability to bring the car home setting fast times at the same time. When the rally finished yesterday I felt satisfied about it and I've understood that I was wrong.
So, hope there will be more like this ;)

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Originally Posted by AL14

Speaking again about the rally I want to make amend.
I've said the rally was too rough for the cars and I was disappointed about all the drivers having problems but I have changed my mind. Rally is not only about pure speed, but also endurance, and drivers skills include also the ability to bring the car home setting fast times at the same time. When the rally finished yesterday I felt satisfied about it and I've understood that I was wrong.
So, hope there will be more like this ;)

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Well if you think about it---aside from my old Saab rally car with a FLAT FLOOR, there's very little chance of anybody's foot being on the gas pedal other than the driver. because of the big tunnel...(I HAVE had big size 46 boots on top of my foot a couple of times---very exciting----took a while for me to realise and find words:eek: )

So it follows is its only the driver's foot, then he has control..
He can gas it full or




OR!





OR!!!!!


He can occasionally actually LIFT.....

Really! Its true! The driver CAN---when needed---lift a bit or a lot....

Its particularly ironic that now when the gravel cars have such long travel suspension---who know REALLY what travel they have?? not about xxx, but definite "The have 320mm" type answer----

but just when they have such travel AVAILABLE, the push is to smooth sprinty type events...

So yeah a rally should test the CAR and the driver's ability to drive the car IN THAT particular event..


All us old dogs seem to agree that it was once a part of the fascination with rally that the conditions in each event---National or European or World series were different character....
variety...It meant it took a different kind of driver than just somebody who could go pretty good after tons of practice and notes and in short duration...

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

Ogier is really tough competitor though, probably even more than Loeb:)

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explain your conclusion please.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

explain your conclusion please.

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As soon as I read that sentence yesterday I thought: "dimvii will not like this". :D

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Originally Posted by dimviii

explain your conclusion please.

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I'll try very simple - He seem to be more unappealable in his victories, despite larger competition. But I have a second thought it might not be enough.....:)

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Originally Posted by dimviii

explain your conclusion please.

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you caught the bait... i expected better from you...