Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Felipe backed out when they reached the end of the lane , therefore negating any advantage gained by going along side .
Had his team released him after waiting for Sutil to go by , he would have been roughly in the same position , so your point is either moot or completely irrelevent .

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this actualy has nothing to do with advantage or no advantage (because nowhere in the rulebook one can find anything about what exactly means an advantage )..Just like never ever before was an advantage or no advantage discussed in the hamilton case of last sunday..let alone a penalty was given..in the case of Valencia and Ferrari there have been precedents...and the penalty either was a drive through and or time penalty.....

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Felipe backed out when they reached the end of the lane , therefore negating any advantage gained by going along side .
Had his team released him after waiting for Sutil to go by , he would have been roughly in the same position , so your point is either moot or completely irrelevent .

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Not really, because in both cases no sporting advantage was gained. Yet both penalised totally different.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

By that token I think Lewis should get a drive through for having the advantage of starting on pole position on Sunday. Absolutely shocking behaviour! Gaining an advantage! How could he! :rolleyes:

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Well, gaining a sporting advantage within the rules is legal, gaining a sporting advantage by breaking the rules is slightly different.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Lol, thats my point Daniel. The Stewarding is not consistant. In previous cases when the Stewards see unsafe release, they penalised with a 25s penalty. But with Massa, they saw it as unsafe, but decided against a penalty for Massa because in the eyes of the Stewards no sporting advantage was made as it didn't affect the race results. Well exactly the same for Hamilton, yet he had a full on punishment.

Ignore what we think of the situation, lets just go purely on how the Stewards see it, both were guilty, neither gained a sporting advantage, but one was let off and another penalised.

Surely you can see the inconsistancy?

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For the last time.... NO!

There should be consistency between IDENTICAL offences. Yes. But we're talking different offences here. The offence Lewis commited has everything to do with gaining an unfair advantage over a competitor and Massa's or rather Ferrari's offence has nothing to do with gaining an advantage as such.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Not really, because in both cases no sporting advantage was gained. Yet both penalised totally different.

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Massa's team was penalized for unsafe release . The stewards saw no advantage .
Hamilton was penalized because the did see advantage gained .

It was completely different , and so were the penalties .

Just found this :
Fernando in Spain to local media says in response to being asked about the incident , "In the end , what they say is always fair , whether you like it of not ."

That's another current driver agreeing that Lewis deserved what he got .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Massa's team was penalized for unsafe release . The stewards saw no advantage .
Hamilton was penalized because the did see advantage gained .

It was completely different , and so were the penalties .

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In what way did Hamilton gain an advantage?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

For the last time.... NO!

There should be consistency between IDENTICAL offences. Yes. But we're talking different offences here. The offence Lewis commited has everything to do with gaining an unfair advantage over a competitor and Massa's or rather Ferrari's offence has nothing to do with gaining an advantage as such.

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Thats the thing. They're two seperate offences, which are penalised with exactly the same penalty. Yet different penalties applied in this case....

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Originally Posted by Daniel

For the last time.... NO!

There should be consistency between IDENTICAL offences. Yes. But we're talking different offences here. The offence Lewis commited has everything to do with gaining an unfair advantage over a competitor and Massa's or rather Ferrari's offence has nothing to do with gaining an advantage as such.

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There HAVE been precedents in the valencia/Ferrari case and each time the penalty was either drive through and or time penalty !!!!!!!!

In Hamilton's case this is the very first time a driver gets punished....and it's the very first time the term "advantage" is used...and like I said before...nowhere (at least I haven't found it or anyone else posted it) in the FIA rulesbook the word "advantage" is explained on what exactly they mean by it....

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Well, gaining a sporting advantage within the rules is legal, gaining a sporting advantage by breaking the rules is slightly different.

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The fact of the matter is that the incident with Massa's car was to do with safety and Hamilton's offence was to do with gaining a sporting advantage by shortcutting the track.