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it is loosing the meaning because most questions are stupid and they repeat again and again. Prepare some good questions and ask him.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Oh, his idol is McRae? Who would've known!
they've made 33.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php...gen-Polo-R-WRC
i don't think hyundai ever sold a wrc car. and i'm not sure about citroen, but i believe you can't by one, only rent one through ph-sport, which is basically owned by citroen.
Very rarely drivers are allowed to answer the good ones honestlyQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Corrado Fontana is running a previous gen i20 WRC in various Italian rallies.Citroen has sold most of the old C4s to various Italian/Belgian/French drivers and they will probably do the same with the DS3s when those beome redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
totally agree. plus twitter has 140 characters that are not enough for a lot of decent questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
btw sometimes he gives some info actually.
looking into ewrc-results, also DS3s are even now in private hands, for example chassis #10 and #11 at D-MACK Racing
Yes,also some 2011-12 spec DS3s are sold.
That's actually a valid question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon
Say that VW pulled the plug, how much freedom would Skoda have to take over what VW had begun? Probably not for -17 as homolgation time frame for all the components that wouldn't fit a fabia would be waaaay to short... but say 2018?
How tight are the reins from VW headquarters on Skoda motorsport?
No unfortunately there is a misconception that Audi chose FE over WEC which was brought about by the press release. Effectively Audi trying to save a bit of face and imply they are remaining in global motorsport. The decision for them to support Formula E was made before and independently of the WEC exit. They even put out a press release weeks ago, explaining the move to FE would not have any impact on Audi's current motorsport programmes. The FE stuff is absolutely tiny in comparison to the Le Mans effort. Really it's just a branding exercise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
The decision to quit the WEC was made completely at boardroom level. Same as VW/WRC will be. The only thing that is different here is the fact that Audi had inter-brand competition in Porsche. That's something VW don't have in the WRC.
Clearly no one at VW Motorsport had any clue this was coming until very recently. It looks really bad. The fact they've been developing this new car for 18 months or whatever it's been really doesn't matter with decisions like this.
The only positive we can draw is that the WRC can take this blow on the chin and stay standing in the knowledge it still has 3.5 manufacturers in the series next year and a new set of exciting regs.
Tanak, Lappi, Ostberg, Evans, whoever... better have signed those contracts already otherwise they will be getting ripped up...
Unless my memory fail me, the FE cars are all the same cars and they are given to the different race teams by a standard manufacturer... a branding exercise like you say.
I am not sure if this is the case anymore but in the beginning they had so shitty range that they had to change car mid race to actually complete a full race. All drivers had to have two cars each per race. Absolutely ridiculous.
Is Paddon reading this thread or something? :D
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Skoda won't probably have a problem(for now).The cars don't need significant investment and they are making a good chunk of money back by selling quite a few Fabia R5s.The Skoda Motorsport WRC2 program may stop but ERC involvement should continue+ privateers.
Edit for Paddon:He should try Facebook live Q+A next.
Also important to remember is that Audi hasn't won the WEC manu. championship since 2013... and unless they changed, they are running diesel cars against a VW sister company that has not yet been axed.
I know that boards are hasty to axe things when numbers are red but VW wrc program is probably their only positive promotion right about now. Still, like Simmi says, the board of VW don't care about this at all. It is a balancing game for them and all outlays need to be slashed until the red numbers can be presented to share holders together with equal or greater cuts to spendings.
Such is the grim world of share holding and boards of directors.
For me it is a 50/50 that they will stay but it looks very dark indeed. I may hate hitlerwagen but the WRC does not need this instability right now. Ogier would likely pick up a seat at Msport or Toyota, Latvala might get a seat, I doubt Mikkelsen will...
Time will tell.
Wouldn't surprise me if Citroen and Hyundai made Ogier an offer regardless of having three on the books already. If Citroen need one French driver on their roster, methinks Ogier fills that role a little better than Lefebvre.
I wouldn't assume that Skoda would step up either; they don't have the same international reach and market as the VW brand and ROI would realistically be a lot lower. Would love to see it, but don't think we will.
Paddon seems reading our forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
very good point Simmi!Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
D-MAX, not D-MACK...Quote:
Originally Posted by kure91
For Hyundai, it would be very complicated because they have three drivers with two years contract and probably with high salary as they have experience. Firing Sordo (the most likely option) to hire Ogier would be very costly. And hiring Latvala or Mikkelsen does not seem very useful looking at the results this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
Citroën is effectively an option that males sense as Lefebvre's salary is probably very low. It would depend on Citroën's bosses wish to put a little more money to ensure the title. But, has Ogier forgiven to Citroën?
Is that why Kris was looking so pissed off on the weekend????Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
William H
@billyboy205gti
@HaydenPaddon is there much banter between drivers on rallies, piss taking when cars are bent? Or spinning on power stage? Who is best joker
Hayden Paddon @HaydenPaddon · 1h1 hour ago
Hayden Paddon Retweeted William H
Depends how close the battles are amongst people, but generally a little bit of banter. Kris and Dani pretty good at it ��
Hi did actually. His codriver knew about Ole Lundefaret reading his theory here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Hello Hayden! What's up? :)
As for VW issue.
If an article is written with conditional verbs is not of any interest for me.
When they will write a proper news using indicative verbs then maybe we have something to talk about.
They wouldn’t be promising to keep Audi Sport work force just for PR purposes...everyone suspected Audi would leave LM/WEC before 2018, most likely because of group brand competition with Porsche, like you’ve mentioned. If they’re keeping their motorsport arm and decided to quit LM/WEC earlier it makes sense they’ll use the free time to prepare a full scale entry in other motorsport series. They’re saying its FE, why should we doubt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Btw, today’s rumor is essentially the same BS story since dieselgate’s day after: VW will pull out motorsport due to the emissions scandal ‘financial burden’. Why can't people realize VW is one of the richest and most profitable industrial groups around? If they decide to leave motorsport they’ll do it for political pressures – there’s a strong eco lobby in Germany - not by financial needs.
Still, fingers crossed…
Yeh, yeh, we know.. Mr I Dont Believe Anything Anyone Says Ever...Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
This is News and RUMOURS... if people want to discuss things this is the place.
I don't see the point of your post (and it's not the first time).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I'm not criticizing people discussing about the issue, just said that I don't give credit to articles with conditional verbs. May I sir?
Formula E is a spec series. There is no development for Audi to do and the team to run those cars already exists. So I've no idea what the rest of their workforce will do. All I'm really saying is they pulled the WEC programme for political reasons first, cost cutting second. Not to go and do FE instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Of course even with the US fines VAG still have more than enough money to compete. This isn't about that. When workers start losing their jobs and you are under fire you can't be seen to be spending ridiculous amounts of money on motorsport - which at the end of the day is not a necessity. That's what it boils down to. Sportscar fans will remember Peugeot did exactly the same thing heading into 2012. They had a new car developed, built and were on their way to a test when they found out.
We've heard all these scare stories before but when well-placed sources say this is being tabled for discussion at a meeting this week then there seems to be some substance to this news.
Good points. Honestly I thought AUDI will leave WEC sooner or later after the Porsche came into it (this was about the same time VAG considered Posrche as the sports brand of the group instead of AUDI to this point). There seems to be no room for in company competition in 1 series. They may use now the dieselgate as a reason, but is it really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I believe VW will be in WRC at least until 2019 as the initial plan was, may be with reduced budged somehow, but they should be in. You don't spend 18 months of developing entirely new car for nothing.
You don't from a motorsport perspective. But the new car means nothing to the board members who are looking at the bigger picture for the company.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Honda spend tons of money to develop the car that became BGP001.Subaru and Suzuki invested significantly on the Impreza 08 and SX4 WRC only to pull the plug.Last but not least,Toyota created a Yaris WRC and a TF110 in TMG only to store those two cars under a blanket in Cologne...
Not an FE follower, but I think manus can now make their own powertrains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Each one is entitled to believe, or not, on this kind of rumors. Having in mind journos current need for scoops and scandals, I tend to get more skeptical every day.
Ok, but the difference is VW are now active in WRC and are very successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
All of those examples(except Toyota in WRC) were active with various degrees of success.
Yes, Audi leaves WEC likely due to internal VAG war with Porsche which started after Porsche won Le Mans. Still we shall not downplay the impacts of the dieselgate. The overall loss for VW is going to be huge and will hurt a lot for many years to come. The VAG Group is also very special company as it is partially owned and driven by state Lower Saxony and the politics play an important role in its working. It doesn't matter that for us the WRC budget seems to be tiny compared to the overall numbers of the group or compared to the dieselgate loss. It may be closed, it may continue. We have to wait and see.
should we start to beg prodrive or eks (matthias ekstrom's team.. where Ogier tested last week or something) on twitter for them to run the Polos in 2017 like Msport and Ford are doing with its partnership? heheh
What I find really strange is, if they want to stop, why didn't they do that at the end of this year? Why bother developing a whole new car to then pull the plug out 1 year later. Doesn't make much sense to me...
Please try to understand that these kind of decisions are made in upper level. They don't give a rats ass about spent time and resources. If it's needed to the brand to cut motorsport then it will be cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
I agree, but it's not like Dieselgate is a thing of the last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverk
We will see, I hope they stay in the WRC!
So this could be VW Team next year for real?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDL9sy0KLuM