People Power

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What does that mean? Progress professionally? Personally? Allow their employer to 'progress' in financial terms?

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To progress in every aspect of their lives.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

To progress in every aspect of their lives.

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Clearly it does not follow that this progress is always accompanied by commensurate wage increases.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

And who, thus, have little or no chance of ever moving on to become an employer themselves, having been at the bottom of the pile for so long. Only those with a romanticised notion of the free market would disagree.

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That is a defeatest attitude.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

That is a defeatest attitude.

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It is a realistic attitude.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Clearly it does not follow that this progress is always accompanied by commensurate wage increases.

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Like I posted earlier, people can find a way to earn more or live with what they have. I also posted that people don't appreciate what they already have, if they did, they would realise how lucky they really are and stop moaning/protesting.

Like I also said, people are jealous creatures and want what the Joneses have next door.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It is a realistic attitude.

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It is realistic only if you let it be. I don't expect you to understand the concept.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

That is a defeatest attitude.

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It's probably more preferable to "the American Dream" where anybody can become President*

(*provided they're rich, well-connected, or son of a former President)

It's good to dream, but pointless being unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Like I posted earlier, people can find a way to earn more or live with what they have. I also posted that people don't appreciate what they already have, if they did, they would realise how lucky they really are and stop moaning/protesting.

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Even if, in truth, they are entitled to more — say if they actually work harder, more effectively or whatever than someone in the same job who, for some reason, is paid more?

No, if people have a legitimate grievance, they should carry on complaining until it is righted. My internet radio doesn't work properly. I'm not about to stop hounding the company in relation to their blatantly faulty product on the grounds that I should be grateful to them for having made it available in the first place.

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Like I also said, people are jealous creatures and want what the Joneses have next door.

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Of course everyone suffers moments of jealousy. But, yet again, I must point out that not everyone is obsessed with material possessions, and therefore not jealous of those held by others. Is this such a hard concept to grasp?

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

It is realistic only if you let it be. I don't expect you to understand the concept.

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This works both ways, believe me.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

It's probably more preferable to "the American Dream" where anybody can become President*

(*provided they're rich, well-connected, or son of a former President)

It's good to dream, but pointless being unrealistic.

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Quite.