Team orders at Ferrari

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Originally Posted by pallone col bracciale

But still no definitive proof, it is just radio transmissions confirming information.

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There is never going to be definitive proof for you.

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Originally Posted by skc

Love it :laugh:

"Squadron leader to Sh!tehawk.... DIVE, DIVE"

Is now code for "Box next lap"

and

"Baby, can you hear me, grin and bear it Baby, i t ' s . K Y . j e l l y . t i m e . a g a i n. Can you confirm you've applied it and have assumed the position"

Is code for nothing whatsoever apparently ;)

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Allo! Allo! please listen carefully because I will only repeat this once. "Don't cross the chickens before you come to your bridges"

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

There is never going to be definitive proof for you.

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And where is your proof?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well if an admission from Ferrari's president, and the team taking the 'team orders is our right' stance is not enough for you, then you are on your own on that one. You must be the only person on the planet who does not think it was team orders, and the fact you don't even believe your favourite team when they admit it, is frankly confusing to say the least. :eek:

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Nobody has admitted to anything.

You need to read more carefully, I think. Luca did not say that Ferrari had used team-orders in Germany....as a matter of fact he did not use the phrase at all.

"I simply reaffirm what I have always maintained, which is that our drivers are very well aware, and it is something they have to stick to, that if one races for Ferrari, then the interests of the team come before those of the individual.
"In any case, these things have happened since the days of Nuvolari and I experienced it myself when I was Sporting Director, in the days of Niki Lauda and not just then."
He added: "Therefore enough of this hypocrisy, even if I can well believe that some people might well have liked to see our two drivers eliminate one another, but that is definitely not the case for me or indeed for our fans."

"I am very happy for all our fans who finally, yesterday, saw two Ferraris lead from start to finish as they dominated the race," he explained.
"The result is down to the efforts of all our people, who never give up. Now we have to continue working like this, to improve the car so that is competitive at all the circuits we will encounter.
"Alonso and Massa also did very well, giving their all throughout the weekend."


No admission anywhere.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85587


I am nice, I even provide for you an English site as a link so no need to learn my language.


So, per favore, please supply evidence of proof that Ferrari have admitted to using team-orders at Hockenheim and that Luca has said so.

Proof, per favore.

Without this, what you say is not true.

So they have team orders. Good for them! All these complaints are nothing but sour grapes from people who can´t stand to see this team taking the maximum result from one race.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I think I'll maintain my view with the majority of people and take Luca's carefully worded statement for what it is.

Ferrari's drivers are well aware that the team comes first before that of the individual on the basis that the driver with the most points is allowed through to collect maximum points. Or in other words, "Team Orders". Even if we did not have the blatantly obvious radio messages, we all know it was discussed in their drivers briefing. We know full well Alonso did not overtake Massa through pure pace.

These 'things' have happened since the days of Nuvolari. What do you think he means by 'these things'? Do you think he might mean teammates letting each other through for the good of the team like in the first statement? Or in other words "Team Orders".

Thanks for the quote. :)

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I think an order contains the actual command. Something like this: Massa baby your are slow. Do you understand me? No, I don't. Massa baby, Alonso is right in your butt. You need to let him pass. Ah, ok then. Got it.

Now if you think their BS is of an inferior quality then the McLaren´s... well that a different story :p .

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Originally Posted by eu

So they have team orders. Good for them! All these complaints are nothing but sour grapes from people who can´t stand to see this team taking the maximum result from one race.

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Bingo!

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Originally Posted by eu

So they have team orders. Good for them! All these complaints are nothing but sour grapes from people who can´t stand to see this team taking the maximum result from one race.

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Totally agree! Too bad none of the other teams have team orders! ;)

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Totally agree! Too bad none of the other teams have team orders! ;)

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If they would, will the so called No2 driver obey? I referring to the to teams, perhaps exept renualt.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

If they would, will the so called No2 driver obey? I referring to the to teams, perhaps exept renualt.

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At this stage in the season without a doubt!