Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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Originally Posted by harsha

why would a WDC like Kimi choose something other than the best alternative :?: ...That was what Alonso did when he went to Mclaren in 2007 and now with Ferrari in 2010

If a driver had a choice between Mclaren and Toyota,any driver for that matter and they were both offering him the same conditions in the contract,who in his right mind would take Toyota ahead of Mclaren

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Koz perfectly answered your question for me.

Alonso could have taken 2008 off; instead, for two years he drove what was clearly not a top car. Alonso perhaps knows there is honor in getting the best out of the car and the team--that winning isn't the only satisfaction.

He also suggested that Brawn wasn't good enough for him, which is suspicious. Does he think they won't be a front-runner next season? Highly unlikely. Dis he find out that they can't pay him what he wants?

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Koz perfectly answered your question for me.

Alonso could have taken 2008 off; instead, for two years he drove what was clearly not a top car. Alonso perhaps knows there is honor in getting the best out of the car and the team--that winning isn't the only satisfaction.

He also suggested that Brawn wasn't good enough for him, which is suspicious. Does he think they won't be a front-runner next season? Highly unlikely. Dis he find out that they can't pay him what he wants?

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So why did Alonso choose Ferrari for next year and not USF1, Campos, or Lotus?!? Total BS..

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Originally Posted by JRodrigues

So why did Alonso choose Ferrari for next year and not USF1, Campos, or Lotus?!? Total BS..

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Because if you had been watching F1 this season, you may have noticed Ferrari weren't that good. Alonso can get to prove he can elevate a team--again--and make a hatfull of dough. Can't do that at a lesser team. It's also been one of his childhood dreams. In the early part of FA's career, Michael was there, so to switch was impossible, since MS demanded #1 status. Now is the time to realize a career goal.

Another aspect is that Alonso hasn't categorically announced, "I would drive for only these two teams."

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Because if you had been watching F1 this season, you may have noticed Ferrari weren't that good. Alonso can get to prove he can elevate a team--again--and make a hatfull of dough. Can't do that at a lesser team. It's also been one of his childhood dreams. In the early part of FA's career, Michael was there, so to switch was impossible, since MS demanded #1 status. Now is the time to realize a career goal.

Another aspect is that Alonso hasn't categorically announced, "I would drive for only these two teams."

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And what has McLaren done this season? They are one point ahead of Ferrari even though they have 2 scoring drivers, agains Ferrari's only one (imagine who that could be)

Dream drive.. bla bla bla.. He wants to be in Ferrari because it's the only place he can win, period. He's not wanted in McLaren, RBR is full and Brawn doesn't seem to like him. Why doesn't he go to Toyota as well?

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Originally Posted by JRodrigues

And what has McLaren done this season? They are one point ahead of Ferrari even though they have 2 scoring drivers, agains Ferrari's only one (imagine who that could be)

Dream drive.. bla bla bla.. He wants to be in Ferrari because it's the only place he can win, period. He's not wanted in McLaren, RBR is full and Brawn doesn't seem to like him. Why doesn't he go to Toyota as well?

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What has McLaren done? They have proven, once again, that they more than any team, can make a decent / bad car better. They were completely lost at the beginning of the year, and are undoubtedly the hottest team at the end. Hamilton's 4 poles and 2 wins in the second half is proof. In the first 9 races, Lewis had 8 points; however, in the last 7 races, he has 40 points--well clear of the rest of the field. This is so staggering because Hamilton is NOT a tried-and-true test driver AND there hasn't been any in-testing anyway. Macca's success is all about RESOURCES. No wonder Kimi wants to go there--he doesn't have to develop the car, and be virtually guaranteed that they will have a car that they can unload and be at the front.

Keep bringing that weak "bla bla, BS" attempt to discredit my case. I'm enjoying this.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

What has McLaren done? They have proven, once again, that they more than any team, can make a decent / bad car better. They were completely lost at the beginning of the year, and are undoubtedly the hottest team at the end. Hamilton's 4 poles and 2 wins in the second half is proof. In the first 9 races, Lewis had 8 points; however, in the last 7 races, he has 40 points--well clear of the rest of the field. This is so staggering because Hamilton is NOT a tried-and-true test driver AND there hasn't been any in-testing anyway. Macca's success is all about RESOURCES. No wonder Kimi wants to go there--he doesn't have to develop the car, and be virtually guaranteed that they will have a car that they can unload and be at the front.

Keep bringing that weak "bla bla, BS" attempt to discredit my case. I'm enjoying this.

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So Kimi has made the 2nd most points than anyone else, with only him to develop the car. In the first 9 races Kimi had 10 points. In the last 7 he has 38. With the team fully concentrated on the 2010 car (so Mr. Alonso can have a car that's a lot more developed than anyone else).

And what has Mr. Alonso done this year with the Renault?!? Where is mr. ultra-car-developer? Today he said that the Renault was the worst car if the grid.. So why can't mr. ultra-car-developer change that? He started with a 5th place in Australia, so I wasn't such a bad car in the begging of the season.. Where are his ultra-skills?

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Originally Posted by JRodrigues

So Kimi has made the 2nd most points than anyone else, with only him to develop the car. In the first 9 races Kimi had 10 points. In the last 7 he has 38. With the team fully concentrated on the 2010 car (so Mr. Alonso can have a car that's a lot more developed than anyone else).

And what has Mr. Alonso done this year with the Renault?!? Where is mr. ultra-car-developer? Today he said that the Renault was the worst car if the grid.. So why can't mr. ultra-car-developer change that? He started with a 5th place in Australia, so I wasn't such a bad car in the begging of the season.. Where are his ultra-skills?

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Kimi has been developing the car? Kimi has pointed out, and so has the team, that they have ceased developing the car. The reason they got more competitive during the season was they developed a double-diffuser after it was deemed legal, then they came to a few tracks that favored the KERS-equipped cars.

The Renault is quite a bad car, which makes it all the more staggering that Fernando has two front row starts, and several grid positions in the 6-8th slots. His teammates have failed to score while he's accrued 26 points with only one podium.

Check out the recent thread about the importance of the car vs the driver--"Perpetual Question"--where I had a lengthy post about Alonso's contributions to his teams. It's pretty clear that he's brought a great deal to whatever team he's gone to. As for this year's sled, I've already pointed out that the testing ban has put paid to any car making great strides--only the double-diffuser has brought about significant change.

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Originally Posted by JRodrigues

So why did Alonso choose Ferrari for next year and not USF1, Campos, or Lotus?!? Total BS..

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I recall in 2007 Fernando said "I will be in F1 in 2008", didn't he?

He didn't turn into a pansy and say "Oh if Ferrari don't offer me a seat then, then F1 can go to hell." - This is what Kimi has said.

Kimi made his money and now just does not care, simple as that.

IMO, if Alonso had no other choice, he would have gone USF1 or whatever.

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Originally Posted by JRodrigues

Brawn doesn't seem to like him.

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Ross Brawn invited him in the Honda team last year. He offered him a place in the team for this season. But Fernando was convinced that the Renault will produce a better car, because while Ross invited him he won two races for Renault and Honda still struggled.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Because if you had been watching F1 this season, you may have noticed Ferrari weren't that good. Alonso can get to prove he can elevate a team--again--and make a hatfull of dough. Can't do that at a lesser team. It's also been one of his childhood dreams. In the early part of FA's career, Michael was there, so to switch was impossible, since MS demanded #1 status. Now is the time to realize a career goal.

Another aspect is that Alonso hasn't categorically announced, "I would drive for only these two teams."

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His childhood dream was to drive for Mclaren, you know the yellow helmet etc. He said it himself.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Kimi has been developing the car? Kimi has pointed out, and so has the team, that they have ceased developing the car. The reason they got more competitive during the season was they developed a double-diffuser after it was deemed legal, then they came to a few tracks that favored the KERS-equipped cars.

The Renault is quite a bad car, which makes it all the more staggering that Fernando has two front row starts, and several grid positions in the 6-8th slots. His teammates have failed to score while he's accrued 26 points with only one podium.

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The major reason why they've had good results in the latter part of the season is the oustanding performance of the Finnish driver in the car. By the way, how good are Roman Grosjean or Nelson Piquet? :) I don't think anyone should boast about beating those two drivers. It's funny how Fernando has to point out that while Kimi has not said anything about the fact that he is simply destroying Fisi. Different characters, you know.