Singapore 2008: Briatore and Symmonds resign

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Originally Posted by truefan72

i hear what he is saying, but F1 results since MM has been in charge have always been subject to controversy with strange decisions by the stewards affecting results many times over.

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As it was before Max became president of the FIA.

I wonder what would have Vatanen done? Sweep it under the carpet in a try to improve F1's image? I doubt he would have been up to taking the fight to Flav and Renault like Max did in this case.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I suppose that even if he doesn't drop them the French authorities will do that anyway and he might also get some slack for misleading them.

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If Piquet threatened to take the information about Singapore to the FIA unless he got something in return (i.e. staying with Renault), it still is blackmail even if (rather, especially if) the information as such is true.

To give you a better example: If someone tells his neighbor that he would go to the police and tell them the neighbor beats his wife unless the neighbor gave him 1000 $, he committs blackmail even if the neighbor is indeed a wife-beater.

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Originally Posted by gm99

If Piquet threatened to take the information about Singapore to the FIA unless he got something in return (i.e. staying with Renault), it still is blackmail even if (rather, especially if) the information as such is true.

To give you a better example: If someone tells his neighbor that he would go to the police and tell them the neighbor beats his wife unless the neighbor gave him 1000 $, he committs blackmail even if the neighbor is indeed a wife-beater.

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As I said in my previous post, it's Piquet's word against sweaty Flab's word. Now sweaty Flab has lied to the FIA and as such his word is already not as credible as Piquet's word. I don't see how the French authorities would go ahead knowing that the plaintiff has already lied once in this affair.

And there is also the small matter of Flav starting legal action only 2 month after the alleged blackmailing occurred and apparently only in an attempt to discredit the Piquets who just gained a lot of credibility.

Flavio has got no case anymore.

"Now sweaty Flab has lied to the FIA and as such his word is already not as credible as Piquet's word."

Well, PiquetJr did say the crash was an accident at the time. So he is a liar too.

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Originally Posted by ioan

As I said in my previous post, it's Piquet's word against sweaty Flab's word. Now sweaty Flab has lied to the FIA and as such his word is already not as credible as Piquet's word. I don't see how the French authorities would go ahead knowing that the plaintiff has already lied once in this affair.

And there is also the small matter of Flav starting legal action only 2 month after the alleged blackmailing occurred and apparently only in an attempt to discredit the Piquets who just gained a lot of credibility.

Flavio has got no case anymore.

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Sorry mate but there is no evidence at this point that Flav has lied. I agree with you that it looks very likely he's up to his neck in it but we have to stay with the facts as they are.

Nelson, as Rab says, has admitted his deception.

What is the evidence that Flav participated in ordering the crash?

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Originally Posted by rabf1

Well, PiquetJr did say the crash was an accident at the time. So he is a liar too.

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Not a in a written official statement.
You know there is a difference between lying to the press and lying to the authorities.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Sorry mate but there is no evidence at this point that Flav has lied.

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Just wait until Monday. ;)

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Originally Posted by rabf1

What is the evidence that Flav participated in ordering the crash?

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asumming that flav leaving is actually true, which being reported by the beeb looks pretty likely now IMO, then the fact that they resigned says it all. why on earth would they resign if not guilty?

Flav, and maybe symmonds depending on how much he was involved, managed to ruin the reputation of renault F1, damage the car manurfacturers reputation, and ruin all their hard work when Flav and Pat just wanted to win whatever the cost, which they probably wil duly pay now, cheating their way to victory and asking one of their own drivers to risk his own life. Piquet was stupid enough to go through with it as well. well done you three, excellent job :rolleyes:

But i for one, say good riddance Flav, cheating ruthless horrible racist careless barst.....

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Originally Posted by henners88

Sorry but nobody in this has gained any credibility I'm afraid. Piquet may have been telling the truth, but he chose to go along with it and deceive the viewing public which makes him as bad as Flav in all this.

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There is a difference between what you tell the viewing public and what you say when questioned by the authorities. An Piquet didn't ly to the authorities unlike Flavio apparently did.

BTW what about what Lewy did in Australia and Malaysia?! Does he have any credibility with you? I'm just curious, you know about what was discussed in the 'Forum protocol' thread. ;)