Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by ioan

The FIA didn't give Massa penalty!
Take an honest advice, stop talking about things you don't know, it will make your opinions look way better. Just because Knockie and PP1 do it it doesn't mean it's the way to go. ;)

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I think that saying that a fine is not a penalty is splitting hairs a bit finely.

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

I think that saying that a fine is not a penalty is splitting hairs a bit finely.

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Check it out, the team got a fine, not the driver, because it was the teams job to release him at the right moment.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Check it out, the team got a fine, not the driver, because it was the teams job to release him at the right moment.

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I did check it out, call me a numpty but I couldn't find anything on the FIA site.

However I did find this on pitpass, which contradicts you:

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=35734

"Sure enough, shortly after the end of the race, having viewed video evidence and spoken to the driver and representatives of Ferrari, it was decided that the Brazilian had not gained any advantage from the incident, though he had breached Article 23.1 (i) of the 2008 Formula One Sporting Regulations, consequently he was fined 10,000 euros and officially reprimanded, but kept the win."

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Originally Posted by ioan

Check it out, the team got a fine, not the driver, because it was the teams job to release him at the right moment.

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ok ok correction..THE TEAM ;-) got a penalty..and a penalty is a penalty..where other TEAMS in the past got a drive through and/or time penalty for the same..Ferrari only got a fine..Just like in the past never/ever a team and/or driver was penalised for exactly the same/or even worse action ala Hamilton...Why is that Ioan ? where is the logic ?

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

ok ok correction..THE TEAM ;-) got a penalty..and a penalty is a penalty..where other TEAMS in the past got a drive through and/or time penalty for the same..Ferrari only got a fine..Just like in the past never/ever a team and/or driver was penalised for exactly the same/or even worse action ala Hamilton...Why is that Ioan ? where is the logic ?

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Nail - head - hit

:D

If they penalised Massa, they would have had to give some sort of time penalty so they couldn't.

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Originally Posted by ioan

No offense, but before posting next time go and learn some proper English. If for you being alongside Sutil means "into the path of Sutil", than you've got a serious language or spatial problem.

And FYI it doesn't take 2 seconds for a car traveling at 80 kph to advance 5 meters. :rolleyes:

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Lol, no need to be so patronising. The F1 pitlanes are ordered so that its a single file formation out of the pits. By running alongside him its not meant to happen, if he'd taken the single file format he would have gone into the path of Sutil.

But to wait for a car to pass, it he would have had to wait, costing him time, therefore by being released he gained a time advantage. The reason why Dnaiel thinks Hamilton should have been penalised. I'm just pointing out Massa gained a time advantage by not waiting for Sutil to pass.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

But to wait for a car to pass, it he would have had to wait, costing him time, therefore by being released he gained a time advantage. The reason why Daniel thinks Hamilton should have been penalised. I'm just pointing out Massa gained a time advantage by not waiting for Sutil to pass.

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By that token I think Lewis should get a drive through for having the advantage of starting on pole position on Sunday. Absolutely shocking behaviour! Gaining an advantage! How could he! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Lol, no need to be so patronising. The F1 pitlanes are ordered so that its a single file formation out of the pits. By running alongside him its not meant to happen, if he'd taken the single file format he would have gone into the path of Sutil.

But to wait for a car to pass, it he would have had to wait, costing him time, therefore by being released he gained a time advantage. The reason why Dnaiel thinks Hamilton should have been penalised. I'm just pointing out Massa gained a time advantage by not waiting for Sutil to pass.

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Felipe backed out when they reached the end of the lane , therefore negating any advantage gained by going along side .
Had his team released him after waiting for Sutil to go by , he would have been roughly in the same position , so your point is either moot or completely irrelevent .

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't agree with that at all.

Just because Kimi went off doesn't mean that Hamilton didn't deserve to be penalised. These are two separate issues.

Of course Massa got a sporting advantage from releasing sooner rather than later. Just as Lewis had a sporting advantage from being on pole, having a car which handled better in the wet and better on the hard tyres. The question is whether the advantage was gained in a legal and safe manner. It is the opinion of the stewards that Massa's release was not entirely unsafe but did justify some small punishment and that Lewis didn't negate the advantage enough to escape punishment.

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Lol, thats my point Daniel. The Stewarding is not consistant. In previous cases when the Stewards see unsafe release, they penalised with a 25s penalty. But with Massa, they saw it as unsafe, but decided against a penalty for Massa because in the eyes of the Stewards no sporting advantage was made as it didn't affect the race results. Well exactly the same for Hamilton, yet he had a full on punishment.

Ignore what we think of the situation, lets just go purely on how the Stewards see it, both were guilty, neither gained a sporting advantage, but one was let off and another penalised.

Surely you can see the inconsistancy?

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

by giving Massa a penalty Fia showed he made a mistake...a penalty is a penalty...and when giving out penalties in these cases at previous races there was either a drive through and or time penalty..why this time just a fine ?

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Officially because he didn't gain a sporting advantage.

Though niether did Lewis :(