Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Sure Knockie, there is consternation by the advertisers. I for one try to disconnect them from the sport.
Alas they are inextricably linked to television, and to my way of thinking have perverted all professional sports.
The idea of the Corporate-Mafia strong-arming any sport makes me cringe :dozey:

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Oh, I agree, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Max and Bernie have been playing tennis with the sport of F1 for way toooooo long now.

Max gives Bernie the commercial rights for a fraction of what they were worth and secures a mighty revenue for the FIA.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max negiotiates away the commercial rights secured for the FIA to a French media company.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max helps Bernie shoehorn the teams into the Concord Agreement.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max and Bernie want to encourage German exposure in F1 but unfortunatly there's a bit of a fire while refuelling due to a missing restrictor which "alledgedly" was sanctioned by the FIA. Max and Bernie meet with the Renault legal rep, Flav admits it's his fault, no sanction is issued and MS wins the WDC.

Guess what....

I think we all know where this is going.

Bernie and Max have been doing very well out of F1, thank you very much but suddenly Max is no longer in the club of 2.

Then we have the Sponsors, Manufacturers, Countries etc that are involved with F1. Sure, they are on the old Machavellian Merry Go Round where it's big corporate business and corporate brinkmanship. Yep, we have us mugs out here that buy the products that fund the sponsorship which bank-rolls the teams which partake in the race, which is put on by the tracks, which pay tribute to Bernie, which is governed by the FIA which is watched by the fans.

The wheel of life will continue in F1. The sponsors will continue to participate while it makes sense but they won't like the risk or exposure. The teams will not like the association, the important FIA members will not like being shat on and nobody in the sport wants to be associated with Max.

In this case, I agree, WATCH THE MONEY!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Oh, I agree, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Max and Bernie have been playing tennis with the sport of F1 for way toooooo long now.

Max gives Bernie the commercial rights for a fraction of what they were worth and secures a mighty revenue for the FIA.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max negiotiates away the commercial rights secured for the FIA to a French media company.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max helps Bernie shoehorn the teams into the Concord Agreement.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max and Bernie want to encourage German exposure in F1 but unfortunatly there's a bit of a fire while refuelling due to a missing restrictor which "alledgedly" was sanctioned by the FIA. Max and Bernie meet with the Renault legal rep, Flav admits it's his fault, no sanction is issued and MS wins the WDC.

Guess what....

I think we all know where this is going.

Bernie and Max have been doing very well out of F1, thank you very much but suddenly Max is no longer in the club of 2.

Then we have the Sponsors, Manufacturers, Countries etc that are involved with F1. Sure, they are on the old Machavellian Merry Go Round where it's big corporate business and corporate brinkmanship. Yep, we have us mugs out here that buy the products that fund the sponsorship which bank-rolls the teams which partake in the race, which is put on by the tracks, which pay tribute to Bernie, which is governed by the FIA which is watched by the fans.

The wheel of life will continue in F1. The sponsors will continue to participate while it makes sense but they won't like the risk or exposure. The teams will not like the association, the important FIA members will not like being shat on and nobody in the sport wants to be associated with Max.

In this case, I agree, WATCH THE MONEY!

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Nice rant!

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Max negiotiates away the commercial rights secured for the FIA to a French media company.

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It is "La Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile, and a nonprofit organization!
Should he have sold them to an Anglo media corp?
Your missing a very important distinction here. Bernie is powerful member of the Anglo-Mafia
Max is a Capo for the Continental-Mafia :p :
At times they have concerted efforts.
But only to a point! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Nice rant!

It is "La Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile, and a nonprofit organization!
Should he have sold them to an Anglo media corp?
Your missing a very important distinction here. Bernie is powerful member of the Anglo-Mafia
Max is a Capo for the Continental-Mafia :p :
At times they have concerted efforts.
But only to a point! :dozey:

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Should let the Salvation Army take it over - at least the money would be put to very good use.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Oh, I agree, but we have to look at the bigger picture.

Max and Bernie have been playing tennis with the sport of F1 for way toooooo long now.

Max gives Bernie the commercial rights for a fraction of what they were worth and secures a mighty revenue for the FIA.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max negiotiates away the commercial rights secured for the FIA to a French media company.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

Max helps Bernie shoehorn the teams into the Concord Agreement.

Max accumulates a lot of money from sources undisclosed.

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You call that the bigger picture? I only see Max in it! :D

Would the smaller picture be with Bernie?! :p :

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Nice rant!

It is "La Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile, and a nonprofit organization!
Should he have sold them to an Anglo media corp?
Your missing a very important distinction here. Bernie is powerful member of the Anglo-Mafia
Max is a Capo for the Continental-Mafia :p :
At times they have concerted efforts.
But only to a point! :dozey:

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I don't care if it was the Raving Looney Party. It was either a shocking decidion or something more sinister.

Basically, he did what he lambasted his predecesor for :laugh:

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Originally Posted by ioan

You call that the bigger picture? I only see Max in it! :D

Would the smaller picture be with Bernie?! :p :

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That's because you're scared of taking your blinkers off and looking at a complete post objectivly.

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Then we have the Sponsors, Manufacturers, Countries etc that are involved with F1. Sure, they are on the old Machavellian Merry Go Round where it's big corporate business and corporate brinkmanship. Yep, we have us mugs out here that buy the products that fund the sponsorship which bank-rolls the teams which partake in the race, which is put on by the tracks, which pay tribute to Bernie, which is governed by the FIA which is watched by the fans.

The wheel of life will continue in F1. The sponsors will continue to participate while it makes sense but they won't like the risk or exposure. The teams will not like the association, the important FIA members will not like being shat on and nobody in the sport wants to be associated with Max.

In this case, I agree, WATCH THE MONEY!

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Are you some journo or you ran out of ideas and decided to copy paste different parts of my post in order to make it look confusing?!

Next time quote properly if you want to make a serious point, otherwise don't bother. Misquoting others makes you look amateurish at least.

Capisci?!

Well, I'm yet to see the real picture in your bigger picture, so sorry but I can't change my mind. All you did is depict it as if Mosley playing around with his pants down is now plastered on every F1 related publicity, which isn't the reality.

Most people have no idea that it happened, most of the rest don't really care, and the die hard Mosley haters keep posting their biased drivel about how everyone is losing money because Max stays.

In reality the only person who is in for a loss is Bernie, the rest of us are going to win on the excitement side if Max manages to get the costs down from the astronomic levels we are at now.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Well, I'm yet to see the real picture in your bigger picture, so sorry but I can't change my mind.

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So, despite me quoting the rest of my post where I mention the FIA, Teams, Host Countries, Sponsors etc, you cannot recognise this as part of the bigger picture. Figures :laugh:

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All you did is depict it as if Mosley playing around with his pants down is now plastered on every F1 related publicity, which isn't the reality.

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I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to explain here. Can you clarify?

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Most people have no idea that it happened, most of the rest don't really care, and the die hard Mosley haters keep posting their biased drivel about how everyone is losing money because Max stays.

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Biased drivel?

Please explain why you think 99% of people haven't heard of what Max got up to. Everyone in my office has asked me about it and none of them follow F1. It's all about "What's this Max bloke then. He's in F1. Caught with his pants down. Ha, Ha!!"

It seems you're one of a very small minority that believe Max is good for F1 and his antics have not affected the sport detrimentally :p :

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In reality the only person who is in for a loss is Bernie, the rest of us are going to win on the excitement side if Max manages to get the costs down from the astronomic levels we are at now.

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Please tell me what has happened, not what may theoretically happen in the future or how all of a sudden, teams will drop the price they charge for sponsorship :laugh: That is soooo funny, it really is :laugh:

You could start with what the FIA has done for the Motor Industry as you keep claiming. Things like safety? What are they actually responsible for to justify the exhalted status that you attribute to Max and the FIA?

I've been asking for some time now?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Most people have no idea that it happened, most of the rest don't really care, and the die hard Mosley haters keep posting their biased drivel about how everyone is losing money because Max stays

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Are you describing 90% (the current % in the poll here) of forum members as "die hard Mosley haters"?

The best argument ayone can come out with to get rid of Max is that he isn't shakng hands with dignitaries , seemingly a crucial part of his job .

Mind you , he has sent deputies in his place , but then , if he cannot attend for any reason , that would be his job .

So , I guess Max is doing his job then .


Better find a better way than a hooker scandal if you want rid of Max .
Maybe something having something to do with his job would do it .