Yes, I believe in India they still have motorcycle rallies with navigator riding pillion. I have seen pix & video from a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
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Yes, I believe in India they still have motorcycle rallies with navigator riding pillion. I have seen pix & video from a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Yes, I'd say that's the closest motorbikes come to rallying; though I think all timed stages are 'off road'. Unlike rallying, they don't have Tarmac rounds.....Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
However, it's well worth going along to watch - I've been to a few in Wales, and it's a good day out.
Enduro is also raced with mountain bikes, although in many cases they use ski lifts for the "liaisons" to climb up a mountain and then descend rapidly on "special stages". But it's another sport that uses the same principle as rallying.
Dakar is maybe the most famous but there are a bunch of other rally raid / cross-country rally events like Silk Way Rally, Rallye du Maroc, Abu Dhabi, Baja, Andalucia Rally, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
There are generally a lot of bikes at these events and they have their own FIA or other governing body championships that are equivalent to the WRC.
They don't have a codriver if that is what you meant but they have to navigate, have liaison and competitive sections, lateness penalties, timed services, controls, etc. etc.
To me it is one of the most impressive motorsport disciplines when you consider all that they have to do, and do well, to be a champion.
Sohlberg talks about Gus,Pajari and Mitsubishi days.Nice interview.
http://motorboxradio.com.ar/2021/05/...y-sami-pajari/
Just checking the Number of followers on facebook and instagram (fb / insta)...
Dammn we are WAY behind NASCAR. I know this doenst mean anything but at the same time it does...
MotoGP 13mi / 10mi
F1 9,9mi / 13mi
NASCAR 5,1mi / 1,4mi
Supercross 3,3mi / 1,7mi
MXGP 3mi / 1mi
WRC 2,7mi / 1,6mi
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Other series (only on facebook), just for the sake of it:
Dakar Rally 2,2mi, ABB Formula E 1,5mi, NHRA 1,3mi, WorldSBK 1,3mi,
Stadium Super Trucks 1mi, FIA WTCR 978k, Supercars 943k, NTT INDYCAR SERIES 935k, American Flat Track 924k, Pro Motocross 708k, WorldRX 668k, DTM 656k, FIA WEC 336k, World of Outlaws 328k, FIA ERC 296k, FIM SpeedwayGP 253k, IMSA 249k.
Crazy how wec, dtm, imsa are so small on these numbers.
WRC promoter needs to hire a social media expert…
That means very little. NASCAR, just like any American series, heavily promotes their social medias pages, and Americans tend to use more social medias than Europeans on average. I bet that if we talk on a global level, rallying is much more known and followed than NASCAR, nevermind the "likes"... I don't even think I follow the WRC pages on any social media either. With that said, it's true WRC could increase their presence on medias...
True. Same here. I dont follow WRC to avoid spoilers also cuz I can only watch the races during the week when Im not working.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
In your opinion, which company should assume WRC as the promoter? I love that RedBull made it free and stuff but I really think WRC should reboot itself. Im not sure how... I know rally fans like to live in the past , want the old brands back (subaru-mitsubish FFS!!) want way more privateers and cool stories of "oh that guy entered his garage car and won monte carlo". We know that younger fans only pay attention to drama and short clips on youtube. We know that a racing series have to talk about what they are doing to "save the planet" (bio-fuels are a good thing. They should even present that to the european union as a solution, cuz Litium extraction sucks). New tech like Tweels (the "tire of the future??) or more carbontube parts. Idk if these things could help WRC to grow a little more but I really wish they were trying more. Maybe with a "younger promoter" like youthstream or monster energy? Idk.. Just thinking out loud about these things. I lost my job so I have more time to think about random sh*t haha
Ten years ago we had North One - and they weren't doing a great job. We all saw what a fantastic job Red Bull did with action sports, and people jumping to earth from space. Imagine if they got the WRC promoter job.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Well shortly afterwards they did, and we expected great things....... They've only done okay - C+ could do better!! Far too much of the coverage is behind a paywall - that's never going to get more people interested. But that is their business model......and maybe why we only have 3 manufacturers for the new regs next year. The sport isn't visible enough.
I want more brands, doesn't matter if old or new, 3 is the bare minimum, 2 is straight up depressing... Some privateers might fill a bit the gap left by the lack of manufacturers, but we don't have them either...Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
I'm not sure... the live, free races I follow on YouTube have always plenty of views and many people in the chats, in relation to the importance of the championship. GT World Challenge races and 24 hours of Nurburgring always have a good amount of views, even if the races aren't promoted that much. Even "small" championships like TCR Europe always have decent views.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
So I don't think young people aren't interest in longer products. If you look at the daily WRC higlights videos, you often see people complaining or being perplexed in the comments on why the highlights are so short. But if you put almost everything behind a pay wall, more people interested in the WRC will never arrive. In my opinion, a good start would be broadcasting at least a couple of stages per rally for free on YouTube, and make highlights videos longer than 1 minute. Locking everything behind a pay wall is like hiding yourself away from any possible newcomer.
It's been a long time, but the best rally promotor i have ever seen is eurosport back in the IRC days.Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
Possibly - but don't forget, not every event had live coverage; only selected events, only the Monte had almost all stages live. Eurosport are still the promoter of the ERC - has that really been a success? 30 min late night highlights is a bit 'old school'.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Is there any documentary showing the whooole process behind a rally event? Like... How does a promoter decides where to host the rally, all the meeting with the city, locals, how they get permissions to close the roads, what the people who live there think, all the stages being decided... It'd be so interesting. Thanks!
Speculation that RedbullTV will replace Eurosport as ERC Promoter from January 2022Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
https://dirtfish.com/rally/erc/wrc-p...unning-of-erc/
Not sure if you guy are into new Tires and Wheels tech but this video have some of the concepts and products out there. I really wish WRC could look into this u'know? I bet theres something tire's brands could take from rally when it comes to "develop new tech". The "we need car manufacturers" are getting old IMO. I'd rather have tire and fuel brands having "teams" in WRC to test these new tire tech and e-fuels via competition. I know, its expensive as f* but its just a wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxVq3Fhf8E
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This trackmania Cheating Scandal Is Utterly Fascinating... And I have never seen these rally cars and stages on this game. This was very interesting to watch, even that I have never played that game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDUdGvgmKIw
An Estonian rally fan walked into a bar to celebrate his countryman leading the points table for new events on the 2021 WRC calendar.
Bit of a stretch to call the 2021 Safari Rally a 'returning event' and no way can the tarmac Rally Japan near Nagoya be seen as a return of the previous Hokkaido-based gravel event.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
You make a very good point. Heading changed to be more appropriate. Thank you for highlighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido
extreme-e broadcast improved 100% for this event happening right now in dakar.
I was not impressed last time in saudi arabia but its pretty great right now haha
especially this "rally" part (racing against the clock)
edit: jeeeez Kyle Leduc is so fun to watch! What a beast.
How Auriol started.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/how-i...didier-auriol/
Paddon writes about Sardinia.
HP said there was a phone call to do the Sardinia Rally in a WRC a few weeks back, but the quarantine was not going to work. My guess is someone like Pirelli (Paddon uses Pirelli on his AP4+ car in NZ ) might have wanted to run the old Citroen or something.(Italian sponsored entry on the Italian wrc round).
https://talkmotorsport.co.nz/rally/h...y-in-sardenga/
Im not paying for WRC+ this years cuz I lost my job so Im only watching that shitty RedBullTV's highlights coverage with lots of bla bla bla instead of showing the actual highlights like in WRC+ highlights...
However I just realized that RedBullTV is actually using the WRC+ highlights this year!
Any infos on that? I mean, I like WRC+ highlights better but that doenst sound like a "Gmbh thing".
Not trying to start another debate about Ostberg's comments and punishment, but simply a more general question. Are drivers obliged to take part in end of stage interviews or can the simply drive off if they wish? Also, if they are obliged to do so but still choose to drive off can they be punished for doing so or has this happened in the past? (apologies if this was already covered in the debate after Ostberg's comments)
At least Colin Clark has said repeatedly that they are not obliged to say anything, it's just a "promotional" opportunity they are given. And there are instances where the driver just drives off, if they have an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corcaíoch
Sorry I should have explained better, leaving because of an issue is understandable and reasonably common, I meant more if a driver simply drives off everytime? For example if Ostberg (or another driver) now decided not to bother with end of stage interviews at all.
it happens, when they are particularly pissed off. still, I think sponsors warmly suggest to stop and show their hat. Also as personal branding for drivers, is better to show your face to fans if u want to engage them (meaning social followers, merch selling, attracting more sponsors, ...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Corcaíoch
then, as in ostberg case maybe, sometimes they just want to send messages with a bit of public pressure to manufacturers or suppliers.
How long it takes for a driver to complete the whole event "recce"? I mean, passing thru all of the stages.
Cuz Racing at 150kmh it takes 2 hours to complete all stages
two days, occasionally three. They do two consecutive passes of each stageQuote:
Originally Posted by fiscorpun
Wow, thats a lot! WRC is the most "dificult" racing series in several aspects, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
From 2 to 3 days of recce to promotion (tv/internet/audience) to ALL the work on and with the streets, houses, locals, governments, public on the track, the access itself, helicopters, safety, rescue, marshalls...
Its crazy to imagine all the work behind it! Amazing...
A Welshman, a Spaniard, an Italian and a Norwegian/Swede walked into a Naivasha bar.
"Guess it has been a tough morning at the rally lads. What would you like ?" asked the barman
https://itgetsfasternow.com/2021/06/...iii-1998-2003/
WRC Calendar History from 1998 to 2003. Introduction of Cyprus, Deutschland and Turkey, as well as a visit to China. The format changed here to clover leaf and single service park as well as into the weekend.
Random... again:
I was thinking about something kinda obvious but it was interesting to think about...
World racing championships are always "on social media" posting content, promoting themselves, showing clips, posting those "Oh, we cant wait for the next round in 30 days" or nowdays posting engaging things...
Same for American motorsport, but they focus more on the cars and drivers... I think? But its the same thing... every day on the internet.
BUT... when it comes to european championships like euro rally, euro motocross, euro rallycross, euro autocross, euro supermoto... they dont spend much time on "content" and "promotion". It looks more all about the racing, not the "propaganda". I mean, erc is the biggest european championship among these mentioned and you see one thing or another regarding "next race this weekend" but it is almost nothing compared to world and american series.
And I like to think that I respect THIS a lot... Idk, its getting tired the "you have to post things every day to stay relevant". Idk... I know its good because of sponsorships and stuff.. but hey... great job european championships!
https://i.postimg.cc/prsbQ95t/Whats-...t-11-05-00.jpg
Max and Jos Verstappen having some fun with an Evo and Citroen C3 R5 at Weeze Airport Germany.
Jos has been into rallying for fun for a while now and bought these cars and Max joined him last monday :)
GOODWOOD FESTIVAL OF SPEED RALLY STAGE LIVE STREAM
https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-c...e-live-stream/
Del Buono - Reutemann: the story of the pairing shared by a Lancia Delta in the 1991 Rally Argentina
A few days after the death of Carlos Reutemann, we decided to pay tribute to him with an interview and analysis that will explore one of the few but magnificent incursions of Santa Fe in the rally. Beyond the outstanding podiums of "Lole" in the Codasur Rally 1980 with the Fiat 131 Abarth and the Rally Argentina 1985 with the Peugeot 205 T16 of Group B, today we will have a deep and detailed talk with the navigator, Jorge "Bicho" of the Buono, who accompanied the 1981 Formula 1 runner-up aboard a Group A Lancia Delta Integrale at the 1991 Rally Argentina.
http://motorboxradio.com.ar/2021/07/...ntina-de-1991/
“Corrado took [my concerns] like an insult. ‘How can you say that about Peugeot?’ No, it was the contrary, I was saying it as an alarm bell, that we needed a different strategy if we were to win the world championship.
“We should have won the world championship that year, had we had the same car as the previous season, but we made bulls*** changes, we screwed up. And he never listened to me.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/where...illes-panizzi/