Cant blame timing on RMC.
And if there is alot of traffic on the roads, meaning crews will be driving daft to get to the time controls on time then I am all for the cancellation!
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Cant blame timing on RMC.
And if there is alot of traffic on the roads, meaning crews will be driving daft to get to the time controls on time then I am all for the cancellation!
Still I admire the organizers for having the balls to put those stages at night in the route. For me night stages are one of the most beautiful and memorable things of this sport, and unfortunately few organizers nowadays take that risk. The problem with too many spectators is really out of their hands.
Turini in the dark is one of THE most classic stages in the history of world rallying - surely if Turini is in the race itinerary, it will be run in the dark at least once.. anything else would most likely result in a massive outcry even before the rally starts..Quote:
Originally Posted by oerigh
That the organisers were caught out by bad weather and other factors can't be their fault? And to reiterate Mireks point: Until you've been there, you have absolutely no clue just how few access roads are there.. and thereby just how easy it is for traffic issues to arise.
Unfortunately this most likely will result in the loss of such an iconic stage, which is a massive shame!
I think the real reason for cancelling is the lack of studded tyres left for drivers and teams not being happy about going without them for the last 2.
Come on, man. Night Turini used to be one of the most classic things through the history of rallying. Do You know how many people were more than happy when it came back in 2009 and returned the memories of gr.B legends climbing up the mountains in the night to reach the Mekka, sorry, Col de Turini? For four years the night run over these stages was one of the season highlights. Now it failed. That happens. In case of extraordinary things it is sometimes better to try and fail than not to try at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by oerigh
I'm veeeery dissapointed, the night Turini would be the culmination of this Rally. Can't the organizers control the spectators?
Anyway, congratulations for Loeb for the flawless Rally and winning it totally under control, VW (and Ogier) for their very successfult first outing, I'm little dissapointed by Latvala's out, but in these conditions, anything can happen. Sordo was successful also IMO, these are not his favorite conditions. For the rest I can distinguish both Ford drivers - Novikov and Hanninen for their spirit.
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Well, this vintage card that VW published days ago has lost some kms, but the keywords were absolutely truth.
Yes, surely it must be difficult, but they have to think it before it can happen. This is not acceptable on the WRC level. If it is not possible to drive Turini during the weekend and control the people they have to do it during the week or not to do it at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It looks like SIT didn`t know what they do and hope RMC as organizer do back up timing, but it took quite a long to get results.
About the traffic, they should know "everybody" want to go last stages and have marshalls enough also before SS.
Gongrats to Loeb/Elena!
For me the mistake - if there was any - to run the stage 3 times. Maybe after 2nd run lot of spectators started to leave the stage and that caused some jame at the road section. The rest was like in last year. As I see the pics from Turini there was no more pople than last year. Ok I just speculate. Tyre could be also an issue linked to safety. The manus. are agreed in the backgorund that better to stop.
That certainly can be a hidden reason too. It's easy to find some "official" reason to cancel stages here as the spectators really are everywhere. So if the teams decided to use them as a reason to safe themselves not to look that bad...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad cat jnr
They were lucky with it during the IRC years. During that time Monte-Carlo was apparently too good for WRC. Now they've completely managed to botch the opening of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What??? He threw the victory in his own lap by driving faster than everybody for 3 days. What, you think Ogier was going to pull back nearly 2 minutes in 2 stages?Quote:
Originally Posted by r199
This has been one of the best RMCs in a long while, with conditions worthy of the name. It's not like they canceled Turini before running it, it was run. Twice. What a disappointment...?
Yes I would like night stages too but if it's impractical with the crowds in Alpes-Maritimes region then some other rallies should give it a try. Rallies have to adapt to the conditions. We'd all be shaking our heads at RMC's organizers if they ran Turini again tonight and a car lost it and wiped out spectators.
And PS becomes.... :confused: SS15 or SS16?
I agree with you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad cat jnr
Oh how you just missed the mark! They haven't botched the opening of the season, not by any means. Chances of any changes to the overall classification were slim at best, and we've had the enjoyment of 3 full days of snowy Monte at its finest.Quote:
Originally Posted by oerigh
If anything, this was one of the better season openers in recent years, if we disregard the amount of WRC entries. Overall though, there have been plenty of positives to take from this rally in many ways. Not perfect, but very good.
There was still time before the stage run - so the uncontrolled spectators are usually real reason if the cars are near to the stage - until the organisers are working on that. The road section can be more difficult here. I bet to the tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
They actually have police several kilometers from stages in this area. Only media can go through. But that doesn't change anything. When You have a narrow road in the mountains where there are crossroads only after ten or more kilometers You don't solve anything by stopping the traffic two kilometers sooner. You just move the jam but it's still there. There are no roads to go around so it doesn't matter if You block it 100 meters from stage or five kilometers away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ka
It canīt be any RMC next year with that bad organizer! Not for ever. Such a bad organizer with no foreseeing at all... not expecting crowds to visit a Saturday evening??Quote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ka
I guess Citroen wanted it this way. Maybe something wrong with Sebs car we donīt know.
This is not serious doing like that.
Iīm totally furious about this. Two more stages that could have changed it all!!
I guess we have to cancel Pickemīs as well...
The problem of the Monte is that you can't always combine the past and the present...
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I agree that that is a possibility, but looking bad may not be the first concern. You heard the drivers after SS14... no control, crazy, etc... reminds me of the quotes of Toivonen right before the stage he died on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
For me it was a fantastic event. Full of action, incredibly spectacular due to the weather. A lot of unusual things happening during the rally. Of course it could have ended better but hey, let's cool our heads and speak about that tomorrow. What we saw during those 420 km of stages (really that much was done despite the cancellation of last two) was just great.
I enjoyed the first three days too. I didn't even really care about the timing issues because no stages were eventually ignored due to those problems. I just can't remember the last time when the last stages of a rally were cancelled because of bs reasons like here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChristianArp
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Also the moon landing was faked, right?
I know everybody's disappointed but have some perspective. Things can disrupt rallies that no organizer, no matter how good, can fix. Like Mirek says, HOW do you handle the crowds - even if you turn them back, where can they go where they will not disrupt the rally, if there are enough of them?
For us sitting at home with PC it was a disaster not having adecvat timing. And on top this! PFFFFFHHHHHHHH!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
You're right, but I'm still somehow dissapointed, this shouldn't happen in a well organized RallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Mikko just tell on MTV3 they should have narrow Swede type winter tyres for last stages.
οr maybe is the timing/gps/safety another reason? With worst conditions may the things come worst?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
For how long have they done this rally? Tell me? 50-60 yrs?Quote:
Originally Posted by kirungi okwogera
Is this a sudden happening or not?
No, man. This could be predicted. And they didnīt take measures for it. It just that. Itīs very nonchalant.
Same crap, different yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Racing Ka
Pitty for such end of this classic rally. I can not imagine the frustration for coming on this legendary stage from another part of the Europe and then cancelation???!!! I'm sorry for all the fans.
About the results: Loeb can win this rally at least for another ten years; it is such an easy work for him. This is big shame for other competitors, they have no arms against mighty Loeb on this event. Mr.Loeb, you are writting history. Those results are immortal.
VW-they can be more than happy, second place is very deserved, was never in danger, no technical problems whatsoever. This looks very promising. Speaking for Ogier personly: behind his smile I can see some frustration, as he had no chance against Loeb. And all the talks how Loeb is not his opponet-it is rubbish. He definetly wanted to humiliate Loeb on his ''home'' event, but it turned other way around.....And I'm afraid that Loeb will beat the hell out of him also in Sweden....
Sordo-very good, very good. Bear in mind that snow is not his favourite surface. Third place is much more than he and we expected.
Mikko-big disappointment, but at the end his reliability has been paid; fourth place is not bad considering his ''slow motion'' during the whole event.
Novikov and JML: it woud be a miracle, if one of those two would not crash. So they did both....But Novikov was fast.
And two others who impressed me: Crungola and Kremer.
You have a point there, so why FIA sacrifice the most important thing - safety?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's true that on Wednesday some GPS modules were not working (Loeb, Sordo and some others) so that can play the role too. It's very difficult to localize crashed cars without GPS at night especially if they just fall down to the ravine.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
"Great" work with notional times from SS16. Some crews lost positions without driving the stage. For example Martin Rada lost two...
Notional times in SS 16 are ready - Rallye Monte Carlo 2013 - Results - Rally-Base. And we can see really bad work from clerk of the course / stewards. Czech driver Martin Rada lost two positions despite he (and his main rivals) dont go through stage in racing condition...
We dont know the right reason. I am afraid that teams were pushing a lot to cancel the stages...Quote:
Originally Posted by bt52b
The end for Hanninen :(
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It is very difficult to localize crashed cars also with working GPS. I dont know how is working actual system, but that one which was used in previous years in WRC was not "perfectly working" too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Maybe Citroën wanted to start the celebration earlier :)Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto