Indeed which is why the likes of changing the points system or offering rewards doesn't make any difference. If you are in a top level series like IndyCar, that's all the motivation you need. And if you don't have it, then get out!
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Indeed which is why the likes of changing the points system or offering rewards doesn't make any difference. If you are in a top level series like IndyCar, that's all the motivation you need. And if you don't have it, then get out!
I certainly think it was the CEO of IndyCar's attempt to add something to the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
True, but Will Power is alive today. He walked away from the incident having also been launched over the rear wheel of another car. His part in the accident did not result in a fatality or serious injury. The difference in the two outcomes was the fence, not being launched into the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
If you believe that then you misunderstand what I, and others have said in response to your thread. Of course we all want drivers safe and alive. However, it is a fundamental fact that motorsport, at whatever level of activity, can be, and will remain, dangerous whatever steps are taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That is not the same as saying that we should simply shrug our shoulders at the loss of a racing driver and carry on as if nothing had happened. No-one is suggesting that, and if you follow Twitter you'll see that Indycar drivers are not doing that either.
Once again no-one is, as you put it, "just accepting that people should die".Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I think some of us accept that you cannot entirely eliminate risk, injury or death either in motorsport or life and if you try to do so you remove some elements of what life is about.
Did I tell you to, or suggest it might be a good idea? :admiral:Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's been argued that racing is too safe these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Racing is a dangerous, accidents will happen and fatality will be a by product.
There should be an element of danger, for me, that's part of the appeal of racing.
It's more of an Indycar problem since the creation of IRL. Not just my humble opinion but you only have to go read that forum and the consensus is that pack racing with a thoroughbred race car isn't really a good idea after all. It's fine for NASCAR as they can get away more with the 'big one' (multicar pile up) stock cars are a better car to take that sort of punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
The irony is that Dan was caught out in the chain reaction of the initial pile up and was trying to dodge a bullet.
All very well making Indycars safer but Indycars' main problem is how a driver is to avoid a wreck when racing in a pack.
I know what you were saying, what I'm pointing out is that what's happening out in the wild seems to be backing up what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrewmcm
I actually agree with a lot of what you said in your early posts since Sunday. The cars had so much downforce and were all running really bunched up and any incident with 34 cars all bunched up like that was always going to be a big one. of course the track and the number of cars on it were also a factor. But the reality is that the actual accident that resulted in the fatality was a 2 car accident so I think for people to go on about 34 cars on a small track slightly misses the point. Yes with 34 cars the accident was more likely, but the outcome of that accident was never going to be pretty.
I think you've just somewhat proven my point. Whilst stock cars are probably that little bit stronger, the thing that makes them better in that sort of racing is that because their wheels aren't exposed, they just bounce into each other rather than flying into the catch fence. Cars are made to best withstand impacts when the car is parallel with the ground (ie on the ground) and if you can keep the cars on the ground then you greatly increase the chances of an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
You clearly don't watch Indycar at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Money can be an incentive.
The biggest problem is pack racing.
They don't measure in thousandths of a second, they add an extra zero because since 1996 they have a type of racing manufactured for close racing and close finishes.
I think it's extremely poor of them to try and speculate as to why a dead person did or didn't do. We'll never know for certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave B
Well I still want to see Indycars on ovals. A stock car weighs about 1.5 tonnes and even if it was made of carbon fibre the spectacle would be diminished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
When I've had the chance to watch, I've also loved watching IndyCars on ovals purely because of the speed and the fact that they can overtake anywhere. Heck I'll watch NASCAR if it's on. If we stop IndyCars from flying then it's just that bit safer, an open wheeler with a pointy noise and bits that stick out just isn't really made to crash into a catch fence, not well at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge