Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

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Originally Posted by Blitzerflitzer

Question 1: Are in Argentina Gravel Cars?
Question 2: When yes, did Citroen have the luck and there Gravel Car was at that roundabout at the right time and notice the change?

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no gravel cars on gravel rallies now

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

The outcome of a rally shouldnt depend on whether being at a place or not. Everything should be in the roadbook and nothing could be changed between two legs/passings at the same spot. That´s what Mr Bartoz interferred in the way the rally would have ended.

Spend how much money you want and put a teammember in every corner. Is that what you guys mean when comparing budgets and smartness between Ford and Citroen?

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No, just the junctions where there is a concern about. That seems logical.

It might just be me.. But I cant see the "4 second gain" anywhere in the splits, maybe 1 or 2sec..

World Rally Championship - Results - Rally Argentina

it is you...its way more that 4 seconds

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

it is you...its way more that 4 seconds

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So where (what splits)? towards the end??

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My translation concerning the main points:

The junction was discussed prior to the start at the Team Manager's meeting. In that meeting, the participants of the meeting had made a spoken deal that the specific junction (page 55, box 18) could be driven in any fashion the drivers would like to. Basically this meant the shorter route. When the mess came up, Ford announced that nothing like that had been discussed.

Unfortunately, the deal was never put on paper (=released as an official bulletin). That's why it can't be found from the official notice board. This leaves an interesting question: what and whose bulletin was the paper (=new page 55, the one with "//") which was distributed to competitors prior to recce? It was not an official document issued by the stewards. Where did it came from?

It's like a novel. "Sherlock Holmes: The Argentine roundabout" :D

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Originally Posted by Viking

So where (what splits)? towards the end??

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World Rally Championship - Results - Rally Argentina
It is between split 6 and split 7.
Jari Matti -1.9 up on loeb next split +0.8 down and at Finish -2 sec
Jari-matti -6.5 on Ogier and next split -5.5 up on Ogier and finally -6.7 up on Ogier
So, compared to Ogier he gained approximately 2.5 sec in two and half minutes but there he lost approximately 1 sec, that is around 3.5 sec
Compare Mikko and Ogier
Mikko was approximately sec or 2 faster than Ogier in Split 6 and final sections but was 5.2 sec slower than Ogier on split 7.
Compare Mikko and Loeb
he had approximately the same speed in split3, 4, 5, 6 (lost only 0.4 sec) and in final split he was 5.5 sec slower than Loeb. and only 1.8 sec slower than Loeb on final section. So, it is just around 4 sec.

The only important thing is that Loeb won.

Picture taken from Google Earth of the famous "roundabout":

http://s4.postimage.org/8rkqry5bf/Rotunda.jpg

Sounds like an issue with the crew setting up tape or the book they used. It should have been caught by an advance car, steward or one or the zero cars before the first run unless they all had the wrong book as well. For someone to have to land a helicopter between stages to address the problem is a bit silly. Still, it's not as bad as earlier years where spectators would block shortcuts with no warning.