WRC Rally Argentina 2012

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Originally Posted by ridder

So I watched the video... and would like your 100 euro. You don't mind or? :)

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I watched the video aswell. You are not getting my €100. It was a driver error.

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Originally Posted by MikeD

And the only reason why Citroën is in WRC is for the marketing value hoping it will increase the amount of sold cars. And having won a championship 9 years ago still counts for a hell of lot more than having only being close to winning it.



Depends on the eyes watching...



Same goes for Hirvonen

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the difference is the marketing value of solberg only counts among rally fans... Citroen wants to sell cars to everyone and the 9 titles in whatever sport have a far larger marketing value than just a person for the uninitiated.

for the rest you are right but results show Hirvonen is better than Solberg at achieving that.

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Originally Posted by SlowSon

Massive enjoyment though! Best reveiew I've seen this year!

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For us rally-diehards who already know what has happened it is ok, but not for Joe average tuning in on Motors TV and wanting to know what happened...

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Originally Posted by rallye-vid

Mikko crashes less than Petter. That's the point

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again...

PSolberg points this year: 62
Hirvonen points this year: 50

..and if you look at the stock of PSA they for sure should have more focus on their marketing tools. It's not looking good.

Peugeot, Kurs, Nøgletal med mere

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Originally Posted by MikeD

again...

PSolberg points this year: 62
Hirvonen points this year: 50

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please i consider you a serious person... the championship has more than 5 rounds...

Sure has been a dog of a stock over the last 12 months!

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Originally Posted by MikeD

I watched the video aswell. You are not getting my €100. It was a driver error.

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Care to explain how it was 100% driver error? I fail to see it, but the again I don't drive rallycars on gravel at 100 kph+.

He goes exactly on the line and there is a stone in it at the second half of the corner which does not seem to be visible from before the corner. Only thing one can argue about is whether he could have seen it sometime after he turned in and corrected to avoid it.
After the hit the car goes straight into the opposite side.

Given this information I'd rate it as about 50% bad luck, and rest divided between driver (could have corrected?) and weak parts (have no idea how strong the impact was).
As to the possible correction... Latvala tried to correct in very similar situation in Portugal and ended off the road.

EDIT: VIking's post (with Solbergs explanation), doesn't seem to help. Does that video show the first off or the second one? Seems more like the first one. Anyway from that explanation weak parts seem even more likely... i.e. one arm brakes so they change it only to find out that the second one broke as well.

did the video shows when Petter hit the stone?

It's linked on page 28 here, the quality is rather low, but there's some dark area (at 7-8 secs in), might be stone or just a deep rut so that the road hits the sumpguard as he said. Anyway you can clearly see how the steering moves and car goes straight after that.

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Originally Posted by 6789

Sure has been a dog of a stock over the last 12 months!

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Yes it has lost 2/3 of its value. That's pretty serious and it's clearly the car company that's suffering the most during this crisis. Daimer/Mercedes, Porsche, Renault and FIAT are also doing really bad whereas the VW/VAG group is performing on average market level and whereas BMW is the winner with massive success in selling cars especially in Emerging Markets.