Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by hmmm - donuts

It seems that Charlie Whiting confirmed, possibly twice, that the way LH dropped back behind Kimi was OK. However, the race stewards took a diiferent view. Is there a case for teams checking with both the race director and the race stewards? Particularly as it appears that the stewards can override the race director's decision.

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I think it's another example of FIA management - never let your left hand know what the right hand is doing (wait...this is the wrong forum...never mind) :)

I just finished watching the second half of the race again and I realized that if we're all playing the "IF" game, here's one for you - IF LH hadn't spun on lap 1 or 2, we wouldn't even have this thread right now...

But, since we do have this thread, I found it interesting that on the ITV feed, Mark Blundell was uncertain as to whether Lewis had gained an advantage at the famous chicane. If ITV has a doubt about Lewis, then the doubt MUST be taken seriously.

Up to now we have:
1. lots of raging McLaren and Hamilton fans complaining about the penalty.
2. a few fans that say it was right
3. a few that chose to sit on the fence (me included) as we don't have the relevant data needed to judge the situation.
4. Niki Lauda against the ruling.
5. Trulli and Massa who consider that the penalty was deserved, and I had the chance to hear Wurz during the live coverage saying that a drive through should be in the cards and that given that it was late it will probably be a 25 seconds penalty.

Interesting situation.

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Originally Posted by wmcot

I just finished watching the second half of the race again and I realized that if we're all playing the "IF" game, here's one for you - IF LH hadn't spun on lap 1 or 2, we wouldn't even have this thread right now...

But, since we do have this thread, I found it interesting that on the ITV feed, Mark Blundell was uncertain as to whether Lewis had gained an advantage at the famous chicane. If ITV has a doubt about Lewis, then the doubt MUST be taken seriously.

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There are always IF's

IF McLaren hadn't spoken with Race Control TWICE, we would be saying that IF they were unsure, they should have checked with Race Control to find out.

Of course, IF they had of checked twice, they SHOULD have rung up ITV to make sure ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

Up to now we have:
1. lots of raging McLaren and Hamilton fans complaining about the penalty.

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who says these are all McL and/or Hamilton fans ?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Up to now we have:
a few that chose to sit on the fence (me included) as we don't have the relevant data needed to judge the situation.

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I don't agree there...u sitting on the fence that is..as U wanted a clear YES or NO from me if Massa was the deserved winner..right ? as long as you are not sure about the penalty yourself you can not demand from other to have a clear opinion either !

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Originally Posted by ioan

Up to now we have:
and I had the chance to hear Wurz during the live coverage saying that a drive through should be in the cards and that given that it was late it will probably be a 25 seconds penalty.

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what channel was that ?

The real problem is that the rules seem ambiguous, hence the lengthly arguments on here. Did he/didn't he gain an advantage? What is an advantage?
The rules should be black & white, and everybody knows what they are. If the Race Director thinks the info he's giving is correct yet later isn't - then there are issues.
Personally they should have given him a slap on the wrists with a fine, then sort it out starting next season so everybody knows were they stand.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

I don't agree there...u sitting on the fence that is..as U wanted a clear YES or NO from me if Massa was the deserved winner..right ? as long as you are not sure about the penalty yourself you can not demand from other to have a clear opinion either !

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That's because you were giving contradictory opinions based on the drivers involved, and I wanted to see how objective you can be. Not getting any objective (without BUT's and IF's) answers from you up to know I can say you are a biased Hamilton supporter.

And no, I'm not sure about the penalty, and even if I was sure that he was guilty I think that I would have preferred a 10 places grid demotion in Monza instead of taking away a race win he earned on track after all.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

what channel was that ?

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ORF1

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The whole thing is that I agree that Lewis DID get an advantage out of what he did......

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So did Massa, he left the pits into the path of Sutil, if he'd waited he would have lost 2 seconds. But he didn't gain a sporting advantage as it didn't change the results. Same as Hamilton, as Kimi went off anyway.

I think many of us was i directly after the race thinking that the decision stewards made was wrong, but when we have been looking on the pictures and video afterwards we have changes our mind.. however i did it..