Things can be changed and adjusted you know? A car is not a fixed block of metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Things can be changed and adjusted you know? A car is not a fixed block of metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It's not that easy, hence why the ballast is used currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
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Originally Posted by becher
The whole car is desinged for that duracell.. 3rd year going and Hyundai hasn't managed to get the car good, because it was wrong from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Rally1 needs that extra 100kg there in the back of the car..
What if they know the car would be faster and then they put ballast in it to handicap it a little bit to show that it's worst without HyUnit. What a story would that be to the green people and PR at FIA if a non-hybrid car would beat hybrid ones by seconds. Theyy would be so embarassed.
Point me to a person who has ever said that Loeb is arrogant? Loeb is the humblest and most down-to-earth driver of recent years, I can't even begin to describe what calling him arrogant is.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Remember what Sesks did in Latvia?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Yes but he have ballasted car. I'm thinking if the thing was taken out completely and not replaced by any non necessary bricks or weights. We all know it would be really bad to the whole picture (I mean to those who really push that stupid technology) if the car without ballast and hybrid would be up there or even faster.
What I'm thinkg also is, I think that that hybrid burts are taking some concentration from drivers, that's why some of them are still struggling to adapt to them. They are just focusing too much to deploy them at the perfect time and then mistakes came.
We don't need to make scientific tests to prove that water is wet. If car with ballast can be fast, then one without ballast will be faster still (provided that weight distribution issue noted earlier is solved). So what is your point here or did I miss something?
Justify that this technology is useless as many of people already knew that, and I think that teams also and those ones who want that thing being part of rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
And of course annoy you :P
The current sad state of WRC annoys me much more than you or somewhat pointless hybrid discussion ever will. And I did note the sarcasm there.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
It seems the small rally before this one has helped Neuville to get a better feeling in the car.
Wow Pajari shaved some bushes out there
I’m aware I’m jinxing it here but from the outside Pajari looks much more experienced on Tarmac with the Rally1 car.
The Regs show the complication...
12.1.3 RALLY1 CARS WITHOUT HYBRID UNIT
Rally1 type cars without hybrid unit are accepted under the following conditions:
These cars cannot be nominated for scoring manufacturers points.
These cars must be in compliance with article 262 / Appendix J and their Ra1 homologation form except for the points mentioned below:
Hybrid unit must be replaced by a dummy hybrid unit complying with one of the following options:
1) Repurposing the existing carbon housing with no internals + Ballasts (location TBC)
2) Dummy HPS with identical size and dimensions / dimensions and material (TBC)
Location, position and minimum weight of the dummy hybrid unit:
a) Location and Position: in compliance with Ra1 Homologation form
b) Center of gravity / height: must be equal or higher to the one of hybrid unit.
c) Minimum mass (90kg for the dummy HPS + 1 ballast of 10kg to be added on the car)
Hybrid unit supports must be complying with Ra1 Homologation form.
Cooling system for ES & MGUK: not applicable / may be removed.
Safety Indicator and status light must be complying with Ra1 Homologation form.
Sound module: not applicable
Shaft between hybrid system and rear differential: may be removed. No other modification permitted on rear differential except cover plate or bung required when hybrid shaft removed.
ECU Software: Must use be homologated for Rally1 HY / see Ra1 Homologation form.
Sensors: only sensors linked to hybrid cooling may be removed.
Actuators only actuators linked to hybrid cooling may be removed.
Opening for accessing electrical connections for the hybrid system: must be closed / steel panel compulsory.
Bodywork: Battery (ES) cooling Ducts & MGUK and inverter cooling Ducts may be removed (Appendix J) => the resulting openings must be closed
Bodywork: The homologated trim for cooling the hybrid system (Battery ES / MGUK and inverter) may be replaced by body panels with a continuous surface.
FIA data logging system: no modification allowed.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
I absolutely agree with you, but believe it or not, I've read comments calling him arrogant. (Not on this forum though)Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Fourmaux:
"No hybrid. Beginning of the season we were able to reset it but the rules have changed."
Now this is stupid.
Wait the FIA calls it the "Hybrid Unit" in the regulations?
Ohh my......
This hobby horse discussion about a Rally1 being faster if it's lighter or it being undrivable without 100kg of ballast in the back is a bit pointless.
Physics give the answer, engineering makes sure that it is drivable.
What's the weight of two gravel spares 40-50kg? They are positioned even further back in the car, often on the rear axle or even slightly behind it, but if you remove both the car isn't suddenly undrivable.
Is Hybrid in motorsport a gimmick? Yes apart from the old LMP1, a lighter car is always faster and power from an ICE is never a problem these days.
But Hybrid can be beneficial in road cars.
So the anti reset rule is already a thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It doesn't look like Fourmaux or Pajari got their hybrid back. Fourmaux said something at the stage end like "they changed the rules so we can't reset it now".
Cmon guys lets talk about 3 drivers separated by 0.8s, thats really uncommon for that tricky tarmac rally!
Compact Dynamics are probably counting money in their heads already. It would be funny if the FIA would scrap hybrid even before the last round of 2024 championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
According to the radar there is a chance for a small shower for later runners
I think it was mentioned somewhere they took the decision back in Greece.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
Thanks, I thought it would only come in from next season.
Good day for Thierry, last besttime goes to Ogier, Evans loosig too much on this one.
As long as Thierry doesn’t do a Deutschland or Catalunya 2017 or Deutschland 2019, he should take it.
Does Katsuta also lost Hybrid power?
Don't say that yet. Tomorrow is longer day than today and with reversed running order so Neuville will have worst position to run in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Or a Croatia. It's funny how he was more or less box-office there each year but never got it properly over the lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
You’re right I forgot Monte-Carlo 2017 when he was fastest and binned it, but honestly, by pace alone, he’s good to go, he only needs to stay ahead of Ott.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Etappe 1: 124,97kmQuote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Etappe 2: 123,46km
Pajari has been creeping ahead of Fourmaux today but lost most of his lead there.
But I think he had one or two more stages without hybrid, so that's not a bad day for him overall.
What happened to evans, katsuta, fourmaux? Caught out by rain?
Like I said, tomorrow is longer day... Except today's stages were just 110,64 km...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Top 3 in only 7,8 seconds, very tight. Evans is not far behind in 4th. I'm mostly surprised by Tanak, basically as fast as Ogier today. The big question is: how much is Neuville pushing? Is he taking many risks or is he managing to a certain degree?
How are tomorrow stages looking? Smoother roads?
Smoother roads, yes, I think it will all fall around the weather because it’s again a relatively early start so if it stays 14°c degrees and foggy like today, it’ll be tricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Evans said he thought it was a good stage and he was a bit surprised by the time, despite a minor brake problem near the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I think Katsuta has decided he wants to finish.
Fourmaux, I didn't notice anything, except he gained on Pajari (or Pajari lost time to him).
BREAKING NEWS!
Rally ain't over till it's over.
10-second time penalty!
Car no 19 did not negotiate correctly the chicane on SS7.
Serderidis.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
You tease.