I agree, the Hyundai situation last year felt like a pushed manufactured conflict. I guess we have to little drive to survive style drama, so they have to make it up when there's a hint of conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
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I agree, the Hyundai situation last year felt like a pushed manufactured conflict. I guess we have to little drive to survive style drama, so they have to make it up when there's a hint of conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra
These guys had it right in mid-Sept ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Dirtfish said in the podcast they knew for sure it was a done deal on 20th september so the timeline fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
RedGrey to take over Hyundai Rally2 as well?
Confirmed now
https://motorsport.hyundai.com/return-of-tanak/
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Sounds to me again like Rich the Ostrich doesnt want to admit the car is not that good, Tänak obviously sayd that the car has not gotten any update since the beggining of the year, and the only pace from the car comes from Friday from Pierre before he crashes and Tänak clearly forced to overdrive and make mistakes in it(finland for example)
The car does have some pace and has achieved two wins this year. If it hadn't been for the unreliability then maybe several other good results would've been achieved too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
Tanak maybe has overdriven at times to win but he did the same at Hyundai in the second half of 2022. Neither car apparently suited his driving style but that didnt mean they were bad cars per se.
Lets see his comments on the i20 next year.
Poland is in for next year!
Shame! Definetely should have been Argentina or New Zealand. Poland is almost the same kind of event than Latvia. Now there is three high speed gravel events in a row.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
And also at a ‘dusty’ time of year. There’s very little autumnal or damp gravel in the championship these days, especially with Chile moving from May to September. The whole run from Portugal in May to Chile in September would potentially be the same :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
I dont mind three spectacular high speed gravel events and especially so close to mine. But I agree that calendar needs variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by rp
The whining about the calendar is absolutely ridiculous on Twitter in various comments sections.
Especially from UK people who seem to be pissed that GB isn’t in the calendar but that isn’t only promoters fault.
I can’t get my head around why people don’t like fast events and how can you call the run from Portugal to Chile the same?
My only complaint is that there be should a tarmac round also in the middle of the season.
Not the same as in the events are all of the same nature - but Portugal used to be in March, Chile first ran in May - there should be some more variety in terms of time of year and possible weather conditions. It’s the dustyness that bores me.
Poland, Latvia and especially Finland will all have very different stage characteristics, and Finland rarely has a dust issue - but the lack of variety doesn’t make for much excitement as each rally comes around.
I’d much prefer to see any of the following: Portugal earlier in the year; Chile in May again; Acropolis back in it’s traditional May/June slot (that’s one rally I think we can all agree should be dusty!); Poland in September which it was often held in before joining the WRC in 2009 (was it a traditional time of year for Rajd Polski though?)
Ah that’s what you meant. Got it and I agree in that sense
Also, having read Luke Barry’s piece on it on Dirt Fish I can see why Poland should have a spot on the WRC calendar, but I still won’t be excited when that weekend comes around
Traditional time for Poland was and is late May/early June. In 2009 and 2014 - 2017 (WRC years) it was late June. September was time of year in years 2011 - 2013 and 2018.
Anyway, obviously I'm happy that Poland is in calendar, but to be honest I would prefer Estonia, cause Estonia is great rally with MANY JUMPS and also in my operational range.
Plan for next year POLAND and LATVIA!:)
So.... Polska & Latvija to WRC and France & Eesti to ERC?
I was hoping for a return of Argentina, but Chile won my heart (Im a south american)
Haven’t heard anything in a few months about France in the ERC, is it still happening? Last thing I read on the ERC side of this forum was that Hungary was swapping it’s tarmac season finale for a gravel March opener, Rajd Polksi was being swapped for Rajd Śląska and Estonia plus Ceredigion effectively replace Latvia and Fafe. Fafe not holding the ERC opener was then refuted…
https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...=1#post1332660
I'm also bored of fellow Brits moaning about no RallyGB; are they all naive or not capable of understanding how the sport works? It costs money to hold these events - and has to come from somewhere. No businesses in the UK think it's worth the money needed. We also don't have a round of the WEC, but you don't see the same level of moaning.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
F1 & MotoGP have UK rounds, but they don't receive any government funding, and neither should any RallyGB. If the sport can't stand on its own two feet, then tough.
Are you joking? 2023, Estonia, massive rain, Finland - massive rain during recce and first days, Greece - flooding and mud, Sardegna - massive rain, Kenya - massive rain before and during some stages, Chile - massive rain before the event, access roads nearly impossible to drive, luckily some drying by rally, still many puddles. I am fed up of this bad weather during rallies in 2023 already :PQuote:
Originally Posted by HKSjbg
What I meant was that the potential for those rallies being dusty was there. Chile did end up being very dry and dusty during the event, while in 2019 it most definitely had a very autumnal/wintery feel to it. This year Monte, Sweden, CER and Japan will only offer that and it’s the lack of seasonal variety I lamentQuote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Fair point on moaners, and I don't want to get political for obvious reasons but where do you draw the line on your other point? Half the calendar or more is state supported, some states supporting entries too - the French even supporting an M-Sport Rally1 entry. This series could look very different without any "public" funds. That could be better, or could be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Are there any facts that FFSA is still supporting Loubet? AFAIK his patron is Alexandre Leroy.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Interesting quote from Latvala on Tanak (after he moved back to Hyundai)...
"I appreciate Tänak as a driver, but he would not be the best choice for this team of ours. He is an individual driver who will do everything to win his own championship. We have to think about the brand championship, and the drivers have to get along well with each other," says Latvala.
https://www.ffsa.org/univers/ffsa/ha...C3%A9sentationQuote:
Originally Posted by sinepikohv
https://www.ffsa.org/univers/ffsa/ha...ce/les-pilotes
not a real news...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Which driver is not there for winning the title? If to use term from Porter, then I'm talking about "A-listers" here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Can he point out some situations from the past, when Tänak did something against the team scoring points?
Is Ogier there to help the team or just collecting own wins?
I smell some BS from Latvala to just "make their choices to sound smart".
We need to remember season 2019, where Latvala and Meeke lost the manufacturers title, when they couldn't play the teams game :DQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
Oh I remember, especially Finland. Latvala and Meeke trying to fight Tänak and both crashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by trykmann
I don't remember any situation where Tänak hasn't played the team game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I would rephrase Latvala's comment this way that he is afraid that Tänak and Rovanpera would be equally matched and this would create the situation where both would be pushing and there is a chance that one of them would crash meaning that they would loose points. They would rather need driver(s) who are a bit slower and Kalle would have easier time.
One day Tanak can't join because two WDC's can't drive in one team, another day that he is not a team player..
Sounds like stupid excuses not to see Tanak and Kalle racing in same car. Understandable.. as it's half Finnish team.
Tanak has manufacturer titles with 3 different teams..
2017 M-Sport
2018 Toyota
2020 Hyundai
... and remind me, who was the manager for Latvala? and is manager for Rovanperä? .. and often throwing shit towards Tänak?
Yes, the name is Jouhki. Maybe not related here at all in practice, but he is the connection point.
Hi, my name is Emmanuel Katto from Uganda, I do agree with you I feel the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
It was not that 2 WDCs can't drive in the same team. He specifically said there is a gentlemen's agreement that a team doesn't hire all the WDCs to keep some balance. I feel people are intentionally misunderstanding that. Some even said if Evans wins he has to leave and so on. I think people are bored and nitpicking or intentionally misunderstanding. Probably flat_right has a more realistic view of the meaning of the quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
In the end for the WRC it's good that Tanak went to Hyundai and not Toyota as this way it's more balanced.
It's called journalism nowadays :) Find the drama and some reason to be offended...Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
To be fair, Toyota is the one team that has always declared 'No team orders' and drivers are free to fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
But having two 'No.1 drivers' (like if Rovanpera & Tanak) then it would be pretty hard to continue with this policy.
If Evans wins they Will not have all the champions in one teamQuote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Works every time Tänak is mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh