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2023 Rally Estonia will be with reduced budget and they hope this suits for FIA. They got 1.5M instead of 2.5M from the government. And in the article they say that if they find solutions for the future, then the event will be here until 2026 (as a 3 year deal). Rally Estonia and promotor want to confirm this in the coming spring.
With 1,5 m€ support they should be just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by flat_right
According to Delfi's article they need to make some serious cuts in their budget and plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
But for me the most alarming is that they have been spending huge amounts on artists, on road constuction, IT development etc. I know also they have bought properties where the rally is being held.
Rally Estonia peab püksirihma pingutama. Kas FIA-le kärpeplaanist piisab? - Delfi Sport
https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/1200...laanist-piisab
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To me the road construction thing has been quite overwhelming. They have built jumps on existing roads, put new surface on worn forest roads and built whole new arenas from the ground up. But of course that should be an investment if they can reuse those roads in the future. I don't think Rally Finland has ever built or repaired a road purposely for a rally, except for the short bit at the end of Ruuhimäki.
It’s just their way to get approval from the people to have stages and people on their land. So they promise to rebuild the roads again and what not.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
rebuilding after the rally is a different thing (and Rally Finland does this always), but doing new roads or repairing before the rally is a quite unusual thing. I know that Acropolis also did a fair bit of repairing in 2021.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I didn’t mean only after the rally. works both ways before and afterQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
It’s what Aava has been telling in the interviews
Apart from the 2023 calendar that will be published today/tomorrow, any chance the WMSC will discuss rules & regulations changes like killing off the kms of stages limit? Or perhaps making night stages on tarmac rallies mandatory? Or even just getting rid of the ridiculous numbering scheme taking place? Maybe shed more light about the 2025 regs?
I dont believe anything from what you mentioned will happen. I dont think they even think about it. Because it should make the championship better/more interesting and I am not sure this is what they really want...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I agree, but perhaps if more of us point it out then someone over there will at least have the decency to look at us and release a fan survey like they did back in 2014, but like you said, it seems they have the opposite interest of making the championship better/more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Think meeting is tomorrow 20th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Don’t think many of your points will be raised.
Rally Poland was repairing roads before rally. Not whole route, but most of it.
Calendar postponed…
https://www.fia.com/news/fia-world-m...ric-rac-london
What's the matter? hasn't anyone payed enough the FIA & Promoter yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
On a serious note though, I honestly am wondering what's the point of keeping this championship alive if they seem to care about it as a rat's ass, pardon my french.
As I know the problem is few rallys are not confirmed (100%) yet and there could be too many changes later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
So at the end Chile didn't make the cut? Perhaps they decided they'd get to much backlash on Saudi Arabia so they delay the inclusion of it by another year?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Not WRC but ERC seems to be going to Värmland next summer
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/va...tm7rW8BzXn2h0w
I just read again the entrylist of that year, oh wow what a level of drivers!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by djip
Calendar could be presented later then expected?
https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2...than-expected/
For sure as "expected" was yesterday :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
Chile and SA are in, also Central european rally. Some dates are not fixed and contracts not signed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Date for Czech/Austria/Germany rally is at the end of october, which could mean very very hard rally (like ERC Hungary) with a lot of mud, rain, moisture/fog, leaves etc.
The candidate event for the Central european rally was held as "ADAC 3 Städte Rallye" with stages in Germany, Austria, Czech Republic last weekend. It was a very spectacular event with those autumn conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
Gallery: https://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bes...llye_2022.html
So the proposed calendar is not that bad, I'm only sad about losing Spain to be honest. And there has usually been a "mercenary" event in the calendar, in the end for the promoter it's a business and they can look to make money.
Speaking in general for me there are 13 "classic" WRC events in the modern era: Monte Carlo, Sweden, Kenya, Portugal, Spain, Argentina, Greece, Finland, New Zealand, Italy-Sanremo, Corsica, Australia, Great Britain. We still have most of those even if some are intermittent.
Between these classics there was often an extra event like Cote D'Ivoire, Indonesia, China, Cyprus usually something random and exotic.
Then they started to introduce new events and lose some classics, we got Germany, Turkey, Mexico, Japan (Hokkaido), Norway, Italy went to Sardegna, Ireland, Jordan, Poland, Bulgaria, France went to Alsace, Chile, Estonia, Belgium in Ypres, Croatia, Estonia and dare I say... Monza
So yeah some events I can pass over some are really must haves, a couple of the classics are maybe not viable anymore, a couple of the new ones are really good. For example Germany and Mexico have kind of become classics for me. So if most events are good ones and there's one cash-grab I can live with that.
Seems it's official & Estonia received it's €1.5 Million and the event will go ahead next year, also apparently Spain isn't leaving without a fight: https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...m-staat-49192/
If Tänak retires, it will be a huge blow for rally Estonia
I hope even if he retires, he will do this as a 3rd/4th car in some team.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I'm not sure how the WRC Promoter will be helping the teams out to get all those flyaway races outside Europe. For sure, they need to get back to the negotiations that apparently have been interrupted with DHL (that we saw appearing for some weeks on the WRC website, before being removed eventually).
Having a "Logistic Partner" to give to the team in form of bulk discounts (or better, free) on the shipping-transport of the material to rallies like Japan or Chile it's fundamental to let the teams in the championship and keep the costs as they are, without further increasing.
They basically should do what Eurosport did with the WTCR, getting DHL and giving to the teams the full amount of the sponsorship, in order to let them digest the events in Asia and have a very cheap shipping eventually.
Apparently the FIA has yet to receive a calendar from the WRC promoter, and the number of long haul events remain in doubt, if I had to guess I'd say Chile won't make the cut, unless the teams will go head on and disagree about going to Saudi Arabia next year, here's the article (from 3 days ago): https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/...alendrier.html
Are Long haul events becoming a real problem for european teams as a whole? Cuz WORLD RALLYCROSS, WORLD TOURING CARS, WORLD SUPERMOTO, WORLD SPEEDWAYGP etc have been racing only in Europe for the last 3 years... I know covid make it worst, OF COURSE, but no one seemed to improve from 2021 to 2022... and 2023, with some "rumour calendars" not having international races again.
^^
That's why the WRC Promoter desperately needs a logistic partner like DHL to help the teams having a heavy logistic help for the long haul races. This way, the few Manufacturers still involved would step away soon...
Very strong rumors in Spain talking about Gran Canaria (Rally Islas Canarias) could be in the WRC in the years 2.024 and 2.025 replacing Rally Catalunya.
The Rally Islas Canarias (Gran Canaria) steps on the accelerator to enter the World Championship in 2025.
It could begin to take turns with the Rally of Catalonia
This weekend, in parallel to the Rally of Catalonia, another competition has been waged behind the scenes to ensure the permanence of our country in the World Rally calendar, increasingly more quoted. The RACC has tightened the screws on the promoter so that its test -definitely discarded from next year's list- returns to the elite of the specialty in 2024. At the same time, the organizers of the Rally Islas Canarias, the second most international Spanish event (it scores for the European Championship since 2016), have stepped on the accelerator with the desire to be part of the World Championship in 2025.
The organizers of the island event assured this summer its continuity in the continental championship for the next two years. Last weekend, they were already talking in Salou with the RFEDA and the promoter -currently, the same that manages the European Championship- so that the 50th edition of the mythical 'Corte Inglés' (its former name) receives the World Championship seal for which the insular fans, one of the most numerous and knowledgeable of the national territory, are clamoring.
The intention of the FIA to avoid the mess of this year -the calendar of the next course is still not approved, apparently by an erroneous procedure of the promoter- is to leave tied at the beginning of 2023 the calendar of the following campaign, in which the Rally of Catalonia will have to retake its place.
According to MARCA, if the archipelago supports the Rally Islas Canarias enough to be promoted to the World Championship in 2025, from then on it could begin to take turns with the Catalonia, and together ensure the annual continuity of the championship in Spain, now that the rotational system of the past will be reinstated.
https://www.marca.com/motor/rallies/...6588b4589.html
https://automovilismocanario.com/iva...a-2024-y-2025/
https://www.motor.es/noticias/rally-...202290787.html
Can someone just leak the calendar dates/weeks already? I'd like to plan my 2023!
I'm not sure how reliable community this is, but they posted the calendar with dates : https://www.facebook.com/wrctvitaly/...b7jiU8Tk6uLuqlQuote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
That aligns with what I’ve heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiesta
Some austrian newspaper reported yesterday regarding of the new Rally Central Europe that there are maybe four special stages planned for Sunday in Austria.
They mentioned the region around Freistadt (Jänner Rallye region, former erc rally, now austrian championship). For me that sounds a bit strange because this year's 3 Städte Rally (some kind of candidate event) and the included austrian stages where further northwest, closer to the german border and the planned rally HQ Passau.
Close and a bit north of the Freistadt region there is the area of the Rally Český Krumlov. Maybe the intention of the german organization is to use some rally proofed regions. Both rallys in Czech Republic and Austria are classics in their national championship.
Maybe our czech and german forum members have more information.
Otherwise it sounds logical. The stages and the people around the Freistadt area are used to rallying and lot of spectators back in the erc days. The same thing is about the Český Krumlov area (South Bohemian Region), I guess. I don't know if the stages are maybe to fast, but the Malonty stage is absolutely beautiful and spectacular.
The oldtown of Freistadt is quite beautiful for a possible rally finish. In Freistadt town there will be opening a new 4-star hotel in autumn 2023 close to a fairground like in Jyväskylä. Linz and the international Airport is not to far away. The infrastructure on both sides of the border in Austria and the Czech Republic is great for a possible wrc event.
Start of the Rally in Prague with stages on the Czech side on Friday. Saturday in Germany and a Sunday in Austria. Rally HQ Passau, Germany - sounds ok for me.
there wont be stages arround Freistadt....nobody knows from where the newspaper got this info. the austrian stages will be held between Schärding and Peilstein.Quote:
Originally Posted by bearclaw
I would like to see Chile back.
Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
...thanks for clearing up this newspaper info.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
There was something regarding the FIA OFF ROAD comission this week so maybe that calendar is real. I saw some other championships calendar drafts on other forum/groups so it may be realistic, eh