Would be a bit of a step back for Sirmacis having previously done well in R5 machinery but that is a good prize on offer..Quote:
Originally Posted by electroliquid
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Would be a bit of a step back for Sirmacis having previously done well in R5 machinery but that is a good prize on offer..Quote:
Originally Posted by electroliquid
R2 is still a lot better than not driving at all. Would be great if Sirmacis gets to do the whole season, he is/was one of the fastest U25 driversQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
Also doing the JWRC gives you good media coverage.
And experience of the WRC rounds with less pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Really?? I bet most forum members here couldn't say the names of the last JWRC-champions without having to look it up. And it's not cheap at all. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Agree. Support championships all are more or less bogus for visibility and mostly about gaining experience. Disclaimer: this is just my personal view not based on actual input from anyone who's contested in those series.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Yes, and sometimes you need to make step back to do jump into next level. I think it could work for Sirmacis, and I hope so. Would be nice to see him in ERC/WRC2 with R5, but he has some financial troubles, so JWRC isn't worst possibility in career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
JWRC is not cheap but WRC2 is way more expensive.
If you want to be World Champion you can´t drive in ERC forever, you just have to learn WRC events.
I wonder how much of WRC2 you could do with the JWRC season budget, with a chance to actually win. One rally?
2 if another is your home event.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I dont know actual price for JWRC next year, but with this year price you can do easily 3-4 ERC races with R5, maybe more...
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Originally Posted by AnttiL
It does? to be honest I have no idea at all about ANYTHING about JWRC..
Nothing about the cars, nothing about their spec--what is allowed to mod what isn't who and importantly costs of car, engine suspension and entries..
I read something--the regs oddly enough--shocking for the thing called Dubya Arsey Academy which to me looked like a scheme to make 1/4 million dollars off of rich people to drive in near last place over-all just so they can claim they are "Dubya Arsey Drajver" ...is that the same as JWRC?
What cars? what costs?
Identical R2T Fiestas prepared by M-Sport with Pirelli tyres next year. Competitors are chosen, winner gets to own a new Fiesta mk8 R5+ fuel and tyres from Pirell. Quite tempting...
That's why I said WRC2. ERC is just a hardcore rally fan thing or a regional thing in countries without a WRC rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
If you get to top 5 in WRC2, even if you are 10 minutes behind the leader, you get your name on the WRC TV broadcast. And if you get to top 3, you'll get driving footage as well
Don't understand because you begin with a sentence fragment. I understand about the "WRC Academy" having read their regs and costs structure...as i said it seems like a money grab..I was asking more about the Junior WRC--and what were costs.. Like lease a car for $xxxxxxx, entry $xxxx etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
You mean like these very public details? How should they have informed the world? A personal letter to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
http://www.m-sport.co.uk/m-sport-new...y-championship
In addition there are R2 challenges in national events, also with quite tempting amounts (to use in JWRC or JERC). So all in all, pretty much perfect to show yourself to manus and when really lucky, grab the prize.
I dont think so. Bryan Bouffier was hugely disappointed with media coverage and everything around after his third place on Monte...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
FIA: From next season, drivers entered with R5 cars who are not registered in the FIA WRC 2 Championship, or who have not been entered by a registered WRC 2 Team during the year, may use any tyre brand, including those not nominated by the FIA for the WRC. This will ensure more local drivers have the possibility to compete in WRC events.
Wouldn't that be a good idea for R1 R2 R3 R4 as well ... ?
It already is, and has been for some years.Quote:
Originally Posted by CWJ
David Holder with JWRC program
https://rallysportmag.com/kiwi-david...r-wrc-program/
I re-watched the WRC2 Highlights reel from WRC+ and Bouffier was featured with driving footage every day. That's enough of coverage to me considering he lost 6 minutes to the class winner. And no other drivers were shown except the top 3 (and Camilli, who had an off). And obviously Mikkelsen being a previous WRC driver got a lot attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
http://www.ralli.net/uutiset/ralli/1...i-ralli-paluun
Apparently Kenya is aiming to get Safari Rally back on the WRC calendar in 2020. They had talked about it during the annual FIA meetings in Paris.
Sadly, the only way to get it accepted by this generation of bureaucrats and nancy boys is to run it on relatively short, private, closed roads. So basically all of the expense of the old Safari (and more) without any of the excitement, adventure, risk, or spectacle. So long as these same people are in charge and have the same attitudes they've had since the early 2000s, this sport is in a death spiral, just like F1. There will be no Safari, and even if there is, it will not be Safari, but a pale imitation.
And there's no more Rally Finland because they don't drive 24 hours straight without sleeping. And no Monte Carlo because there's no concentration run. And no Tour de Corse because there's no 4 hours of stages within a day. Even Rally Poland in the recent years was just a pale imitation because the stages were closed from public traffic.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnybobiche
Seriously though, a modern Safari could be like this:
Thursday
Super Special 1 km
Friday
Stage A 40 km
Stage B 40 km
Service
Stage A2 40 km
Stage B2 40 km
Service
Stage C 50 km
Saturday
Stage C2 50 km
Service
Stage D 80 km
Service
Stage D2 80 km
Sunday
Stage E 40 km
Power Stage F 20 km
Total length: 481 km
I mean, the Safaris from the 80's had over 4000 kms of competitive sections...nowadays we have the same amount in a season.
10 kilometer stages in Safari - now that's a horrible thought.
Makinen agree with Mahonen
https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/ne...horter-stages/
Tommi please... what the hell is this nonsense:Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
More shorter stages means more social media and more coverage for the sport.
Where does this (il)logic come from? Mahonen was spouting the same shit in that earlier story... where have these guys bought their consultancy services from?
If we adapt life to youngsters span of attention instead of span of attention to life there is no bright future for us...
Rally is not mainstream sport and it will never be, it is to difficult for a football-head to understand.
Guys look on the bright side. Well it would depends only by seconds every stage and that would be even more awesome than it is. Drivers would be pushing even more and maybe just maybe a few more in the game for drivers title... just my opinion.
Almost perfect, but you forgot 1 small thing: Power Stage must be stage which have been used in rally before, so not new road but second pass of some used special stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
edit. maybe part of some other stage is also acceptable, so this could be perfect as it is now.
Except in Tour de Corse they don't have to do it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
What a farse
Youngs only have interest on what? And football game with 90m?
I agree with Nandan, we can't lost rally DNA.
Tommi said what about actual cars not made to endurance? Talk by your car and the problems that existed in 2017.
Media difficult to follow rally? Really? With all the technologies of current society you can do worst than 80s!
Promoter should be concern to have more coverage and more quality coverage. Rally is not a live tv sport (only PS), catch the images, select the best and show them!
Shut up Makinen. Idiot
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What did that total? About 15 seconds?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Come on, media coverage is not a factor in WRC2s favour. Once they talked about a half hour WRC2 highlights show from each rally. Did it happen? No.
The only time they get decent coverage is when so many WRC crews have retired that they have to show them on live stages.
the problem is that the wrc is fucked up by people who knew the sport better than anybody.First of all david richards,mahonen,capito (tried),mouton,now makinen,WHAT IS GOING ON?????????????????????????????
Makinen probably wants shorter stages and more trips to service in between them, seeing as he's failed to produce a reliable car that can last big mileage loops of stages :D ;)
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Toyota had problems mostly on one, sometimes two cars. Other cars in the hand of those drivers also tended to have reliability issues that their teammates didn`t. Call it bad luck, car errors or driving...
Nobody tweets about split times, but all the driver accounts post the stage times and post-stage comments. It's almost horrible to read a twitter feed during a rally when every driver has to tweet the stage results and overall result after the stage, even though I'm following it on the wrc results page anyway. And of course the stage comments are posted in english and the native language. So if we would split a 40 km stage into four stages, we would get four times as much social media posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Also, since split times are not really "official", no media will write a news story about "Tänak flying in the splits". No, they will write about how it was at the end of the stage.
I'm not saying this is what the sport needs, but this is the logic they're thinking through.