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It's obvious you have some "challenges" understanding the statistics and history of the sport, but Lancia was the best car in 1992 - by far. Yes, Sainz took the title, but if you look at TTE's season, Sainz was the only one doing well in that car. Kankkunen, Auriol and Aghini combined won 8 out of 14 rallies that season. So yes, Kankkunen's move to back to TTE at the end of the season was and can still be viewed as controversial.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
What the hell is going on among team principals? Are they mad or what? Are they here to win the championship or to have a party together where everybody is friend and we are all kind?Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
I don't like Ogier either, he is indeed arrogant and a bad winner but I would do everythiing to get in my team because he wins. Citroen doesn't want to spend two pennies to become dominant again, Nandan prefer to give faith to a man who gave himself 70% and 80% to win the championship and then crashed twice in a row and he could finish third, Toyota don't hire him because he is not a lovely guy.
I really don't understand, I would have prepared a red carpet already.
what was his options ? stay at home or go to toyota ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Yes, as a three-time world champ (at that time) those exactly were his options.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Ogier going to Toyota would be a mess. Tommi knows that he has the two drivers who are capable of beating Ogier in the championship, and if he were to sign him one of them at least would completely collapse. It would be unfair to his team and it would disrupt their perceived harmony.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
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Estonian newspapers today https://twitter.com/marguskiiver/sta...33033221509121
http://www.ksml.fi/urheilu/mm-ralli/...5a2e04e294cb3f
Hänninen said he found out between Deutschland and Catalunya that he's going to be out of the team for 2018. Until that he had hoped for continuation.
I wonder how Latvala has shown he is capable of beating Ogier tbh. He didn't manage it in 4 years in same car.. and didn't manage it this year either. Though yes he was more consistent and often retired due to car. Then again with Polo he was also most often out due to car issues while the other 2 drivers weren't, so might have something to do with how he handles the cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
He matured immensely this year. During Catalunya I calculated Latvala's points total he'd have by now since Poland if he'd finished every rally , factoring in modest and realistic results (3, 1, 6, 6 and 2 PS points), and he'd be just 6 points behind Ogier. Of course, since his car let him down, we don't know if he'd finished the rallies, but he probably would've considering his previous results. It's a shame the Yaris let him down. All his life he's been making silly mistakes that cost him championships and the one year he's flawless the car can't handle it. Next year I'm certain he'll be the number one title challenger as long as he drives like he did this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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He was close to win in 83 with Lancia too, but was too tired of all that so raced only on 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrvold
http://www.rallit.fi/juho-hanniselta...-olisi-ttanut/
Quite straight talk from Hänninen. "I would lie if I said I wasn't pissed off" when learned about not having a seat at TGR for 2018.
Juho also says that while it "probably would be possible to rent a car from M-Sport" (in 2018) he won't do that as that road has already been seen.
Regarding the future he says that there are "no specific plans", but that he hasn't retired and is willing to drive again "as long as the offer makes sense" (presumably meaning that from sporting point of view). "Let's drive in Wales and then see where we are".
I think Juho can be happy that he got a seat this year. If it wasn't for them, he wouldn't have been driving elsewhere.
It's also funny that some of the same people who wanted Toyota to sack Hänninen quickly after the bad start of the season are now mad to Toyota for doing so based on only the beginning of the season.
Could you give us a hint who are those people?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
People talking on forums and twitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeppe
So why the move was controversial kid ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
The occasions when the world champion has left the team:
1979 Waldegård with Ford (and Mercedes) --> 1980 to Mercedes, Fiat and Toyota
1981 Vatanen with Ford -- 1982 to private Ford (because Ford works team didn't run in 1982)
1982 Röhrl with Opel --> 1983 to Lancia
1986 Kankkunen with Peugeot --> 1987 to Lancia (because Peugeot didn't continue in Group A)
1987 Kankkunen with Lancia --> 1988 to Toyota
1992 Sainz with Toyota --> 1993 to Lancia
2001 Burns with Subaru --> 2002 to Peugeot
2016 Ogier with VW --> 2017 to M-Sport (because VW quit)
Yep, no one likes to be fired…Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
He sounds like he won’t be Toy’s test driver. Will Wilson pay for him?
they want to develop r5 car. I'm sure he will be there.
Ofcourse notQuote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
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Hanninen will be doing some development work in the future, but he obviously rather drive than be in the back end of things.
Vatanen was already driving a "private" Ford in 1980 and 1981, prepared by David Sutton's team, Ford works team left at the end of 1979. Although David Sutton might have had some support from Ford, of that I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Rumor has it Ford was helping Sutton, but did not want to go all in. They did however continue to post any victories on their Twitter account :D
couple of days past the Tänak announcement now and since Ott cant talk about it before the season end then estonian media has interviewed his father and his longtime sponsor Gross a lot.
They say the decision was very very hard to make for Ott and didnt come easily because he has been with the team for a long time and knows everybody but it is time to move on. Also there is some talk that this year when some new parts came then those parts went to Ogier and Tänak got them later. This was also confirmed by Tänak some weeks on Q&A chat.
im not sure but i think one article (there was a lot of articles)mentioned that Tänaks technical feedback is also rated highly, especially after seeing how good the Fiesta has turned for this year.
While he did very good this year, especially considering the 2016 disaster and have been applauding him for that since Portugal it does not convince me enough to claim he is capable of beating Ogier. What ifs are what ifs, if he had many points he'd be under more pressure as well. In 2014-2015 there were many rallies where he had a puncture or a problem with the car while the two others never had it. Call it bad karma, bad luck, bad personal engineer or being too harsh on the car. But it's certainly strange that this bad luck seems to continue at Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
Completely off topic but are you gonna change your profile pic for a toyota now? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Is Hanninen likely to get a call from VW to do the fine tuning testing on the VW R5 Polo?
Neeh, don’t know yet. We will see. I hope they change the livery a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
And seeing the cars live in Finland and Spain I must say the Citroen and Toyota look much better than on photos and videos. Especially Citroen
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Originally Posted by Zeakiwi
https://yle.fi/urheilu/3-9893887
Another new interview with Hänninen:
Juho says that while he's disappointed with Toyota's decision, it was nice for him personally to see in Catalunya that he can match the speed of the top guys. He also says that it's highly likely that he won't find a drive for 2018 - M-Sport being the only option. And Juho once again says that he's not willing to pay for a drive. Maybe the most interesting part in the interview is, that Juho says "there's been some talk" about a test driver role in TGR, as "Yaris WRC will be renewed for 2019". He says that if the team really wants him for that role, he'll "give it a thought", but also says that it's "different situation" now vs. when he was the major player in carrying out the demanding test program in 2016, as he knew he would be a race-driver in 2017.
http://www.rallit.fi/latvala-uudesta...t-reilu-jatka/
JML:
Ott is fair and nice guy. It will be a close competition between the three of us. You have to be at your very best. Ofcourse I'm disappointed with what happened to Juho. It would've been nice to see him compete next year as well. Maybe he'll continue as a test driver?
The most important thing (in 2018) is that we can all work together in order to get the best result. You need have competition in the team as well, it just can't get too serious - which I don't think will happen with this line-up.
The most important thing (regarding Wales) is to get back to the form I had in Finland. I feel that the recent technical issues have also contributed negatively in my performance level.
Aha, so the current road-going Yaris was given a third facelift this year, which coincided with the WRC entry. The model is now 6 years old, with an all-new varient due in 2019/20, so TGR will have to create a new car then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
I believe that Avensis is even older...could be another FL again (or are there other talks about a completely new chassie in the article).
Nope. It only says that Yaris WRC will be renewed for 2019 - whatever that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Homologation special Yaris for WRC?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/...o-help-wrc-bid
So what will that mean for the proposed Yaris R5, will they hold off for the new model or enter the category with the current shape?
Firstly they have to start building one. VW announced its plans in late 2016 i think and the car will debut in ADAC 2018+ they already have a testmule based on the same platform (Fabia r5), so it`s not 1-2-3. Maybe they have started it already in some way but if i remember correctly, Mäkinen said it will be made in Tallinn and their new division there will be ready in a few months time. 2019 is here quite soon...
That’s quite interesting and unexpected. A WRC car is a sort of a proto based on a standard bodyshell/platform. If they want to build a new WRC based on future Yaris, the 25.000 units won’t need 4wd or a top engine like the old Gr.A special homologations. Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mArvAlcao17
Interesting news indeed. VW also did it with their Polo R WRC (the road car), which was different from the standard version by more than just a bigger engine. The drivetrain or engine is not really an issue, because by regulation they can be changed. The bodyshell is more of a problem, because it comes from the production car and the scope of modification is very limited. So if they can optimise the base chassis already, it could prove to be very good return on investment of re-tooling/re-organising the production line "only" to make 25000 cars. It's quite smart really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I'm miss a little bit... so if Lindstrom will be in Australia in new role with a team - so Juho without co-driver or last rally for Juho and Toyota will be GB?
you have missed a lot then, GB will be Juhos final rally.