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It becomes a nightmare to read when you have to start deciphering all the acronyms.Quote:
Originally Posted by thuGG
Ahem.... This is NOT Sparta!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
;) #been waiting sometime for that opportunity!
The puzzles are propably that Citroen wants to put Ostberg for 10 rounds, and Kubica for 3 tarmac events in main team car and rest rounds in private car.
Yeah, or that loeb also wants some rallies, but it should be possible to put ostberg in a third car those 3 rounds so he is "in it" at the end of the year pointswise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quad
And it becomes tedious to have to type in full the name of the 18 or so regular World Rally Championship (see what I did there?) drivers when you are keying from a BlackBerry (BB) - None of the drivers have the same initials (not acronyms) so there really is no confusion possible if you have a passing knowledge of who is competing. Personally I think the average rally fan can follow the drift. If not you'll just have to complain to the AAAAA (Association for the Abolition of Assinine Acronyms and Abbreviations)Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
T i s s t. P, s a o p t. Ty.
I think Kubica offers great value to any sponsors and investors, compared to many other drivers. For sure he hasn't been the best in his first year in WRC, but few people are in their first season at top level, and none of them have the development of a unique shifting situation either.
However, the reason for my initial point is that he, at least at the WRC events I've been at this year, is massively popular amongst the Polish crowd; he's an absolute hero and I'm judging this by the queue for photos and autographs and the number of people waiting for his car to arrive in for service.
DTM is strictly geographically limited, but WRC is a close-up sport that takes in a lot of Europe, including Poland and many countries where Polish ex-pats live. I found myself being part of the crowd in front of his service area just because of the great atmosphere in Wales, one that also spread around all the stages both here and in Sweden.
I'm rambling a bit, but I hope he sticks around for several years to come as I think he's an asset to the sport and always good to see more cars in the top class.
For me personally, apart from it is little difficult to decode, it shows little disrespect to the main characters involved to write their initials instead of at least first name, last name is preferred of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
+100000Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
As mikko also!
I also don't like acronyms at all for the drivers(I don't remember if I have ever used them),but I see drivers to use them,PET (pre event test)for example for videos.
There's a difference between the use of acronyms and the pure rape of drivers names, like 'Mikleson.'
I think this is due to the speed of writing,especially when you write from smartphone.i dont think this is a disrespect to the drivers or the members of the forum,of course I don't think is right.
As I said before Jari-Matti has actuallly embraced JML as his title and now includes it in his autograph (only happened this year sometime as his autograph at Monte was just J M Latvala.) Mikkelsen always signs AM with a smiley in the A.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
If the drivers use their initials to refer to themselves I can't see how it can be disrespectful for fans to do so. In fact in British and American culture the use of initials to refer to someone is usually an indication of respectful familiarity, an alternative to a nickname. RK is a whole lot different to Crashy Bob, which despite being accurate and (to some) amusing, actually is disrespectful.
Part of the problem is the adoption of english as the communication medium without the mindset that allows colloquial understanding. As a mod I frequently resist the temptation to edit bad english as I'm not here to be patronising - just occasionally it is necessary as the original poster's meaning isn't clear or being correctly conveyed. Case in point, Stefan's statement above is missing 'a' before 'little' which completely changes the meaning to something he doesn't intend.
Can I suggest we argue about the sport and not get hung up about communication style - as ever tolerance is one of the greatest attributes of civilised people
Here endeth the lesson!
This is major disrespect. Kinderkarten and elementary school pupils who are most probably the only remaining big fan base in F1 may use all kind of abbreviations and acronyms as they like. It is normal as many of them are not very strong in spelling and writing, yet. Soon they discover how pointless is F1 and only a few fans remain for some reason. Drivers are anyway almost nothing in F1 series. Couple of hours of racing per weekend and then just some chilling and training. Sometimes a few hours testing.
WRC Driver has a major impact in the final result of the rally and their effort of driving 3-4 days on and between the stages + 2 days of recce is worth some kind of respect. You should also mention the work of co-driver and what they do with the notes during the evening/night time etc. I am always thinking about it before posting my replay and if I have some doubt about the correct writing of some names, then I use internet. When I have no time to chcek it fom interet, then I prefere not to replay to the topic at all.
As I said, it is personal opinion. I think wrc (and other) drivers are doing more for the "fans" than be just 2 letters in some forum post. Not to mention sometimes might be some duplications of the initials, so this leads to confusion (it happened also here AFAIR, but don't remember the exact case) and seem like full ignorance on either of the persons. Anyway, personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Familiarity is fine when You know very well the person and may speak freely with him, but on public forum seems little awkward. I'm well aware of the "American" style of naming someone, JR, CJ, etc., but don't know how to comment this TBH.
Move the name posts to another thread? Tried to find the pub thread last night, but didn't seem to find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
I think its appropriate that this 'initials not names' issue should be brought up in the Silly Season thread !
Get a life people.
Am I the only one who finds it a little disrespectful when certain publications refer to 'Rally Germany' not 'Rallye Deutschland' for example? There's abbreviating someone's name and then there's just pure bastardisation of an event name. I mean how difficult is it to type 'Rallye de France' instead of 'Rally of France'.
In a time when so many aspects of the WRC are homogenised/standardised & with the FIA wanting rallies to add their own individual flair to their events why can't we embrace to proper event titles like Rallye Automobile Monte Carlo, Rajd Polski, Rally de Catalunya etc? Granted most of those events still hold such titles, it's just lazy journalists anglicising the words, but I for one lament the loss of events such as 1000 Lakes Rally, RAC Rally etc.
Rant over, now I'm going to yell at the neighbour kids to turn their music down and to get off my front garden :D
And sometimes people keep writing 'VW'. I mean, how hard is it to type 'Volkswagen Polo R WRC'?
And it makes it impossible to tell the difference between the car, 'Volkswagen Motorsport', 'Volkswagen R Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung', 'Volkswagen Passenger Cars' and 'Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft' (let's not be having any of this 'AG' nonsense).
Wonder what the 'PH' in 'PH Sport' refers to. Going to need to find that out.
Really good news about Meeke, hope Ostberg is signed up full time as there's no obvious better option around. Would be good to see the third car emerge at a few rallies for Citroen. Sorry, I mean at Citroën Total Abu Dhabi World Rally Team.
Apparently Loeb will do all WRC Tarmac rounds in 2015...
stop posting lies...Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
At least he posted on topic :D...not like the other last posts where they discuss grammar.
"Cultural" difficult I guess, or "Sub-" one. Some of them just refuse to accept some foreign name as trade mark and make their own names. Amusing silly discussion nevertheless:D.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
On topic - so Mr. Loeb misses WRC, hope to see some outings next year then.
He misses having fun in a rally car... not the WRC... there is a chaotic difference between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Right, lets wait and see then I suppose.
Would like to see mr Loeb or any other top driver to take some rallies in a R5 car in ERC or WRC2. Just to get a real feeling on the time diff btw a Wrcar and a R5.
Rumours just say Loeb is very keen to do the 2015 Monte Carlo...
And if he only 'misses having fun in a rally car' then he wont do the Monte and just have fun in Rallye du Var (with his wife) ...
Doing 1 event doesn't mean he misses the WRC... Gronholm did Sweden a year after his retirement.
NOT how do you know what is going on on loeb's head?
I have a secret power....
It is called common sense... if people would use it more and act their age the world would be a better place.
We are talking about a 40 year old guy... Yes he is the best of all times but to talk about a return to the sport is a bit far fetched, a decision like that would only spoil his reputation especially in an inferior car only huge money will bring him back a thing that Citroen doesn't have... if he was serious i doubt he would use his wife on Rallye du Var
NOT you answer something I never asked,I say that he maybe misses wrc and you don't know if he misses wrc or not.i never said something about loeb's come back.
Well if he misses the WRC he has the money to come back... so his second coming would be the proof of that.
We were talking of some events, Monte Carlo, Alsace & Deutchland probably, not return to the championship.
we will see...Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Nobody heard a rumor of Tanak replacing Ostberg at Citroën? :p
No because he is the certainty at M-SportQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Now if you read between the lines Citroen would like a French guy in the second car but I presume that Bouffier has some kind of Hyundai contract so their choice is between Chardonnet and Lefebvre (who was very spectacular at WRGB)
Possibly they get 6 rallies each with Loeb in for the Monte
where did you hear that? At totalrally yesterday they said that Tänak-Msport is done deal, Ostberg to M-sport via Adapta and Kubica or Paddon maybe to Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Do you mean crash? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by thuGG
about Kubica and others http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116842