I have to say, I think you may have reached rock bottom with that post. It is poor even by your standards Daniel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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I have to say, I think you may have reached rock bottom with that post. It is poor even by your standards Daniel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I'm just generalising like some of them do based on highly inaccurate stereotypes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Bringing yourself to their level eh? Not very smart IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Not really, just appearing to do so, do I actually believe that any of the people on here are inbred? Nope. Sadly they seem to think we're oppressed though :crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
I'm married, which is the same as oppression isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
No, not at all (My wife used to post on this forum so I couldn't really say anything else could I?)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Really?! You have researched the response or seen it in print or heard it in person to actually make a statement such as the one above and think/believe that your retort has credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Instead of having a hissy fit why not point out what it is that I am so incorrect about (as a liberal) that you find so offensive.
You believe I don't have the brainpower to be sarcastic, well that may be the case Einstein but I do value the fact that ignorance is bliss and I would prefer to be ignorant than having to resort to the challenging task that you have deemed a model for intelligence when in fact it is nothing but a scathing thoughtless and meant to harm commentary which only makes YOU look like a clown.
Wit, to which I referred is where I would prefer to place my intelligence. Wouldn't that be where you should aspire to be capable of initiating?
You could if you can run fast enough. Stopping at both the florist and chocolate store on the way home of course. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Don't forget the headache pills to fend off the inevitable 'excuse'.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Humour, the lowest form of wit :p That's directed at both of you :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Just because you complain with more words than others doesn't make you intelligent, just verbose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Just because you retort with inane assumptions in one liners does not make you an authority on anything whether I'm verbose or intelligent. ItQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
only shows that your personal opinion of others is measured only by what you perceive in a post on an internet thread.
How else am I meant to build a perception of someone who I only know from a forum? just saying :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
I think the following pretty well sums it up very correctly
I think the reactions of the George Zimmerman verdict have shown us once again what is leading to the decline of this country and why it is more important than ever to be self-reliant and to prepare for uncertain times. The fact is, we have a man who was getting his head bashed in by another man and he defended himself as any person would. We do not have a man that hunted down an unarmed person, because if that was the case I think we would agree George Zimmerman should have gone to jail for murder. However, we have the TV pundits, Hollywood celebrities, and protestors talking about how you can go around hunting down unarmed children and murdering them. They forget to mention that this unarmed child, violently attacked a man, broke his nose, and was slamming his head on the ground. My point is… We have many people in this nation who fail to even look at the facts so they can make an intelligent comment on the case, but more importantly, we have a nation of people who don’t believe a person should be responsible for their actions. I find it troubling that the President of our country – who ought to try and be an example – would tell the nation to “honor” Trayvon Martin. In other words, he is telling the nation to honor a man who tried to kill another man. He’s not saying that we need to take responsibility for our actions and that the reason the man died is because he chose to jump someone, and to repeatedly punch them and bash their head on the ground. I’m pretty sure if I went up to Alec Baldwin (a knucklehead celebrity who made a silly comment about the case) and I started bashing his head on the ground he wouldn’t just sit there and smile, he’d defend himself like a normal person would. But again, my big problem is the lack of personal responsibility in this country. It’s the notion that we can do whatever we want without consequences, and that someone or something (such as the government) will bail us out or take care of us. In fact, the only reactions I don’t blame are Trayvon’s parents. I think we can agree that if your child died, no matter what caused it, you would want the person that killed them to be prosecuted… I’m sure I certainly would. But everyone else, not so emotionally close to the case should be teaching their children personal responsibility. And that you don’t go around starting fights and punching people and if you do, there are consequences to be paid. I guess what I’m really trying to say is, instead of all of the hate being spouted from both sides and instead of Geraldo Riveria and Al Sharpton stirring things up just to get their time in front of the camera, we should be teaching our kids and our nation to be responsible for their actions.
Folks,
This is degenerating into swapping personal insults. Can we please return to discussing the [admittedly sensitive] subject in a civilised manner - for example, it's OK to say "My opinion is .... because ..." or "I disagree with ... because ..." but it is not OK to say "I disagree with ... so you are a ... "
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Simple. Don't, as it tends to make you look shallow with no self esteem. You're sitting at a computer making character assessments and you don't know what you're doing. Sounds idiotic to me.Just sayin :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I digress since I was dragged into this and will do as D-TYpe has suggested.
I am finished trading posts on this with you Daniel. Go ahead and have a swipe at me again. It will be read of course but I will not respond.
Tell that to the 6 million Jews or the 20 + million Russians. All of the gypsies, homosexuals and the handicapped whether it were physical or mental.[/QUOTE]
You don't get it do ya.
I was pointing out that low crime rates tend to go hand in hand with repressive Governments.
At least it is better of cowardice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
Speaking of which remember this?
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Originally Posted by Spafranco View Post
When was the last time someone or a case of someone being sent to trial for uttering something you perceive as OK here in the US but to be criminal in the UK?
Google + 45 seconds of my time = Glaring examples of no freedom of speech in the UK
Well I did and yet you seem to have drifted over to the other side of the podium you like to pontificate from and go another direction.
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Originally Posted by zako85
The difference being that Martin committed 2 possibly 3, criminal acts(trespassing and assault & Possibly attempted murder) while Zimmerman committed none.
You have to understand. We are not ashamed to say we value our lives. Some people like Daniel are ashamed until they face their own mortality. Then they screech and whine like is expected from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
Are you actually stating that I'm a coward, Anthonyvop? How idiotic.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
At any rate, where is OUR great freedom of speech and assembly.
By Ruben Vives, Robert J. Lopez and Andrew Blankstein July 16, 2013, 6:34 a.m.
Los Angeles police arrested 14 people overnight for failing to disperse after hundreds of protesters splintered off a peaceful demonstration.
When did Trayvon Martin commit these "crimes" as you state?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Was it before or after Zimmerman left the vehicle? Was it before and that was why he was followed by Trayvon?
Before Zimmerman left the vehicle, trayvon was guilty of these crimes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
jaywalking
trespassing
using a hood to obscure his face -- yes, it's illegal in Florida to do that
illegal drug possession -- yes, he had drugs in his system, which is criminal in Florida and many other states.
Obviously jaywalking is pretty negligible, but the other three all contributed significantly to the impression of a suspicious character. Zimmerman specifically said he appeared to be on drugs.
Next thing you will be muttering in your paranoia is that large cities like Detroit will be going bankrupt and "will not be around to bail us out"....We all know that is not going to happen with any large city........ :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roamy
Ummm no.Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
Jaywalking, whatever.
Drugs? He wasn't in possession of drugs, he had a tiny amount of drugs in his system, if he'd been arrested that night he wouldn't have been prosecuted or even given a warning for it. The amount of drugs in his system were small and wouldn't have resulted in a difference in behaviour, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Trespassing? He was being pursued by someone he didn't know, should he stay out of people's gardens just to stay legal whilst running from someone who later turned out to have a gun......
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Originally Posted by Daniel
i think you have already demonstrated your profound ignorance of USA laws. There is no need to convince us further. We get it, you have no clue.
The medical examiner took blood from the chest cavity instead of the extremities, a major no-no for determining drug levels. His actual levels of THC could have been many times higher.The actual amount is irrelevant to whether it is legal or not. It's illegal to have THC metabolites in your system in Florida. No debate. That's the law. The end.
You are also totally off base regarding the trespassing. the trespassing occurred before Zimmerman followed Trayvon, when he was cutting through a segment of the town homes. That's when Zimmerman first laid eyes on him, and one of the many reasons he appeared suspicious.
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Originally Posted by Daniel
i think you have already demonstrated your profound ignorance of USA laws. There is no need to convince us further. We get it, you have no clue.
The medical examiner took blood from the chest cavity instead of the extremities, a major no-no for determining drug levels. His actual levels of THC could have been many times higher.The actual amount is irrelevant to whether it is legal or not. It's illegal to have THC metabolites in your system in Florida. No debate. That's the law. The end.
You are also totally off base regarding the trespassing. the trespassing occurred before Zimmerman followed Trayvon, when he was cutting through a segment of the town homes. That's when Zimmerman first laid eyes on him, and one of the many reasons he appeared suspicious.
Why was Ferris Bueller not arrested on his final return home from his 'day off' then? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
You didn't know Mathew Brodderick was Jewish???
heh. Joking aside, generally you can't get blood samples from someone else they are being charged with some other crime. assuming trayvon had survived the gunshot he definitely would have had his blood tested for the presence of drugs.
The only sensible decision in the non case against Zimmerman is the one made IMO. The entire event is a sad reflection of racial bias in this country.
And, as predicted by Roamy in the now locked thread, a few have resorted to some minor looting and other such stupidity, such as blocking roads and throwing bottles at cops and other pedestrians. Thankfully most are simply doing what is legal and taking part in a peaceful protest of some sort.
As for this thread, it's apparent to me that only some will deal with facts and a great many are not dealing with facts and/or the law but with their emotions. It's sad that any person is killed, but people have a right in this country to protect their property and by all accounts it appears to me that Zimmerman had no intention other than such protection of property and his neighborhood.
Having been involved in trying to better a neighborhood we found that people with nothing to hide usually don't hide anything, and often become helpful in protecting the area. We also became very familiar with the laws concerning such things with the help of the local cops, who were very much behind what we were doing. Sadly the end result is often that the trouble makers will simply end up in another neighborhood where people don't get involved.
I do have a question for those that only seem to oppose the incident due to the fact that Zimmerman had a gun. If all evidence and testimony had been the same, but there was no gun involved, would it change your opinion on the right to self defense? As an example, assume that somehow during the fight Zimmerman delivered a lethal blow with his fist.... would it change the way people think about the case?
Interesting question.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
You asked for examples of how there is no Freedom of speech in the UK. I provided more than one recent example. Now just accept it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spafranco
And stick to the subject. Do not try to compare police breaking up a violent protest that was blocking the public roads with a lack of Freedom of speech. There is a big difference.
Martin was originally observed by Zimmerman not only trespassing but peering into windows of a home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
He should have been. Ferris Bueller was a entertaining movie. A work a fiction to get a chuckle.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
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Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I just found out that in Europe we are being repressed so much more than in the USA! :rotflmao:
A Hispanic named George Zimmerman, I would have never thought it possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
I have no issue with what Zimmerman did after he started getting punched, I just take issue with the fact that he created the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
It is unclear from the testimony who actually started it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Race baiter in chief at it again. I cannot believe how far we have fallen as a nation that elected this clown and then re-elected his useless, racist ass.
There is a little clarity , isn't there ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
One ditched burglary tools , and turned around to confront the other .
And , the other had a gun , but was assaulted before he could use it .
Kinda sounds a trifle ambushy to me .
By the way , do we know what the burglary tools were that were stashed under the bushes ?