Boston Marathon Terrorist Attack

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

American interference in the Middle East, starting with installing the Shah in Iran in 1953, is what predominantly breeds hatred towards the US from the Middle East and by Muslims. Not Muslims hating American freedoms. I don't think it is something that should remain unsaid.

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Offering the Shah exile when he was over thrown created many hostage situations too. They should have stayed well out of it.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Ben I think you suffer from severe phobiaholicism. Anything you can't rationalize is a phobia. There are many levels of education and many areas of education and you as well as others fall short in many areas. This includes your "little dick holder from Romania" If you feel your education level is too superior for this forum then you should probably move on. I think it is you that is having a education problem on this forum. Quite frankly this is actually a racing forum and chit chat just brings together some cutural interchange that you continually try to inject phobias into. Get over it.

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Our lil' redneck came out of the woods again to give us a nice example of the great culture to be found in his great country, while at the same time questioning other people's level of education. Good one! :rotflmao:

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Considering it is because of people like me you can spew your jealous idiocy I would prefer you just worry about yourself and stop meddling in other people's lives instead of the thank you that you owe us.

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Could you point out in what way did you help humanity to such great achievements as freedom of speech?
Was it by allegedly smuggling a gun on a flight to Europe?

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Originally Posted by Starter

Our unquestioning support of Israel, when they turned from being the victim and began stealing others land, hasn't helped the situation much either.

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Yep.

This is why I don't run my mouth before I have the facts:

Boston Marathon bomb suspect charged with using weapon of mass destruction - U.S. News

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Originally Posted by ioan

Our lil' redneck came out of the woods again to give us a nice example of the great culture to be found in his great country, while at the same time questioning other people's level of education. Good one! :rotflmao:

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Hey ioan just because I want to date Jennifer Lopez and you want to date leonardo DiCaprio doesn't necessarily make me a redneck :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

I am not buying anything because I do not listen to any specific media, I always read all available credible sources and make up my mind based on an overview of the situation.

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Define "credible sources". :p :D

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Originally Posted by Starter

Rewriting history. From wikipedia:
"The incident began when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the standoff lasting 51 days. Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. During the attack, a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men, women, and children,^[8][9] including David Koresh, died."

Show me where anyone was held hostage. Those people were willing participants - wacko cultists, but still willing participants. That still does not excuse the overwelming use of force by the government. There was no reason to stage a full scale military assualt. Those folks weren't going anywhere.


Your opinion of the second amendment does not correspond with that of the Supreme Court which, several times, has decided otherwise.


I would be hard pressed to find a more ignorant statement. While the FBI, it seems, could have been more diligent in tracking Tamerlan, it does not follow that they would have immediately known he was the perpetrator.

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Ignorant statement? Well excuse me Mr Starter. I find it really interesting coming from you the person who banned others for using an * to infer but not use as a letter that you would even have the audacity to state that an opinion was ignorant when you have not the slightest knowledge of how these types of operations work and the manner in which they are kept. So please, keep idiotic opinion to yourself. You want to ask me if I know anything about these things?

The Supreme court with Scalia certainly does a disservice to the people of this country as do the representatives who voted against the overwhelmingly desired will of 90% of the people last week. Makes me believe that Officer Currie would still be alive if not for the easily attained weapons that were used to shoot him. Go on and feel contempt for anyone that would like to really feel safe walking the streets without some jackass shooting because I have a hoodie or the wrong skin color.

Waco? You seem to have deliberately used a source that was in your favor: Below is the actual events of day one and the reason YOU should be appalled as any American. Why are you taking the side of a guy responsible for the deaths of how many????

On the morning of Sunday, February 28, 1993, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) attempted to serve an arrest warrant for Vernon Howell, a/k/a David Koresh, and a search warrant at the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas. The arrest warrant charged Koresh with unlawful possession of a destructive device, in violation of 26 United States Code, section 5845(f). Both the search warrant and the arrest warrant were signed by a United States Magistrate Judge. The search warrant authorized a search of the premises of the 77 acre compound located at Route 7, Box 47-B (a/k/a The Mount Carmel Center), Waco, Texas for evidence relating to the unlawful possession of fully automatic machine guns and destructive devices. While attempting to serve these warrants, ATF agents came under heavy gunfire from individuals in the compound. As a result, four ATF agents were killed and fifteen wounded.

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Originally Posted by ioan

The fear is perpetrated by your government and the mass media not by a dead man and one who just woke up from coma.
Shutting down a whole city in order to search for a wounded person is not normal, they did it to increase the fear of the plebe.

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Dribble and hogwash. Go away.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Do we know if this was a religion motivated act of terror?
If not why would the Muslims condemn the act? Why should they put themselves in the spotlight if it has nothing to do with them or their religion?

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Ummm, care to bet if it probably had or had not?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Are you seriously asking for an answer to a rhetoric question?

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My Ioan, although I am sure you meant rhetorical question. That is twice you have use the same reason for posting as you did. Do you even understand what rhetorical means and how it should be used?
The question I asked was meant to convey to you based upon your previous post what may have seemed obvious to was not for everyone. If you want to name the United States of America as being your target then do so. Don't be a wuss hiding behind verbiage that is unclear.

When you reply with honesty, then I will respond.

"children who left the Branch Davidian cult compound said David Koresh gave girls as young as 11 plastic Stars of David that signified they were ready to have sex with him. Today's New York Times, quoting therapists working with surviving cult children, said Koresh also told youngsters to call their parents "dogs" and only he was to be referred to as their father.
The cult's compound in Waco, Texas, the therapists said, became "a misguided paramilitary community" in which sex, violence, fear, love and religion were all intertwined. The children held captive by both parents and Koresh."

Can not remember what this tread is about? Got to go stumbling off on rabbit trails without a clue? Perhaps this will help. http://static1.businessinsider.com/i.../boston-28.jpg Richard Martin, his sister to the left, in green shirt who lost her leg, and the bomb is also circled, along with the younger brother-bomber with his smiling face standing behind them.

Spafranco, how do you know Starter banned others? Starter hasn't been a moderator during your time here, has he?

Guys, keep it on topic and quit personal comments/insults or I close it !

So the heat is being turned up by the media and others on the FBI. Essentially, they are blaming the FBI rather than the criminals for the blast. So much for holding criminals responsible for what they do.

I see no way that the FBI has the resources to be tracking each possible suspect that someone thinks might be a radical or nutcase of some sort to prevent the possibility that they may go crazy and actually hurt someone.

When such preventive measures have been done in the past, some holler it is racial and religous profiling in violation of civil rights.


CNN is says heat is on FBI.....

Heat is on FBI over handling of bombing suspect - CNN.com

First CNN says that a Congreesman blamed the FBI for failing to prevent the bombing, but later:Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Sunday declared that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was at fault for failing to prevent last week’s bombing in Boston.
In an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, host Candy Crowley noted that the FBI had intervewed deceased bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011, but wondered if it was fair to blame the agency for not anticipating something that happened two years later. Lindsey Graham blames FBI for Boston bombing:



bombing the result of an intelligence failure?
Was Boston Marathon bombing a US 'intelligence failure'? - CSMonitor.com


There was this, which is more accurate:

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Boehner, an Ohio Republican said authorities have to walk “a fine line” that takes account of civil liberties.
“If you are in America and you have a legal status, you’re protected by American rights,” Boehner said. “It’s a fine line that they have to walk, and we’re going to have to make a determination how well they walked that line.”
The FBI’s investigation of the information from Russia followed the attorney general’s guidelines for probing possible terror suspects, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation. Those guidelines lay out what authorities are allowed to do to investigate suspects based on the level of evidence they have.
The FBI searched intelligence and criminal databases on the suspect and conducted interviews, the person said. The findings of those inquiries didn’t suggest anything suspicious. As a result, investigators couldn’t obtain warrants for wiretaps or take other investigative steps under the guidelines, the person said. The guidelines are designed to protect civil liberties.
Russia Trip

The current FBI-led investigation is paying close attention to a six-month trip Tsarnaev took to Russia in early 2012.
Tsarnaev was in the U.S. travel screening database known as the Treasury Enforcement Communications System, according to the two law-enforcement officials. The addition to the screening system is a routine occurrence when the FBI reviews individuals, the officials said, confirming that Tsarnaev’s name was misspelled on the Aeroflot passenger manifest for the flight from New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport to Russia.

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FBI Handling of Russia Boston Bomber Tip Draws Scrutiny - Bloomberg

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Originally Posted by henners88

Spafranco, how do you know Starter banned others? Starter hasn't been a moderator during your time here, has he?

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Why are you sticking your nose into something like a little kid when it should be very obvious why. I will indulge you with the obvious. I was not a member. You know, like the majority that view this formum.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Why are you sticking your nose into something like a little kid when it should be very obvious why. I will indulge you with the obvious. I was not a member. You know, like the majority that view this formum.

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Originally Posted by pino

Guys, keep it on topic and quit personal comments/insults or I close it !

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Spafranco, what part of the above post you don't understand ? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by pino

Guys, keep it on topic and quit personal comments/insults or I close it !

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Can I endorse that comment.
This thread covers a very serious topic. It is not the place for trying to score cheap political points, deliver personal insults, start or continue squabbles and the like. Some members seem to be overlooking this and appear to trying to see how far they can push the envelope.
No modersator likes to close a thread or issue a ban, but if his hand is forced ....

So , meanwhile , here in Canada , we've just had what has been called , a "major terrorist threat" , thwarted by the RCMP , as they just arrested two guys , one in Toronto , the other in Montreal , over what was said to be a plot to bomb a VIA Rail train in Toronto .
As they deal with the terrorist threat down in Boston , we have one here as well , and , rather obviously ironic is a debate in the Canadian house of commons in Ottawa , over the new anti-terrorism laws .

We in Czech Republic are very sorry, that many media in US informed, that the agressors are comming from our Country...

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Originally Posted by sandokan

We in Czech Republic are very sorry, that many media in US informed, that the agressors are comming from our Country...

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Indeed, it must have been frustrating.

Czech Republic Forced to Remind the Internet That Chechnya Is in Different Country After Boston Bombing | TIME.com

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Originally Posted by henners88

Indeed, it must have been frustrating.

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Yes it is. You know, it was cleared in many media, but the bad name remained...

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Originally Posted by sandokan

but the bad name remained...

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bit like Budweiser :p :andrea:

:D

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

So , meanwhile , here in Canada , we've just had what has been called , a "major terrorist threat" , thwarted by the RCMP , as they just arrested two guys , one in Toronto , the other in Montreal , over what was said to be a plot to bomb a VIA Rail train in Toronto .
As they deal with the terrorist threat down in Boston , we have one here as well , and , rather obviously ironic is a debate in the Canadian house of commons in Ottawa , over the new anti-terrorism laws .

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I am not sure at all that the laws make much difference. What seems to be most effective is thorugh investigations, watching suspects and gathering information.

Unfortunately, there is a limit as to resources for that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I am not sure at all that the laws make much difference. What seems to be most effective is thorugh investigations, watching suspects and gathering information.

Unfortunately, there is a limit as to resources for that sort of thing.

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In Europe state surveillance actions are restricted by human rights legislation which was introduced after WW2 as a reaction against the actions of Hitler's regime, in particular the Gestapo

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

My Ioan, although I am sure you meant rhetorical question. That is twice you have use the same reason for posting as you did. Do you even understand what rhetorical means and how it should be used?
The question I asked was meant to convey to you based upon your previous post what may have seemed obvious to was not for everyone. If you want to name the United States of America as being your target then do so. Don't be a wuss hiding behind verbiage that is unclear.

When you reply with honesty, then I will respond.

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Ofcourse I was talking about the US of A. Your turn.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

In Europe state surveillance actions are restricted by human rights legislation which was introduced after WW2 as a reaction against the actions of Hitler's regime, in particular the Gestapo

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Some just can't learn from other people's mistakes.

For my European Friends.

Welcome to the jungle

European Muslims Traveling to Syria to Fight 'Holy War'

Just wait till they filter back.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Hey ioan just because I want to date Jennifer Lopez and you want to date leonardo DiCaprio doesn't necessarily make me a redneck :)

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J Lo?! Awwwwwww DiCaprio would be indeed a better choice, though I personally prefer Penelope Cruz.
De gustibus non est disputandum, but stil, J Lo?! :s

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

For my European Friends.

Welcome to the jungle

European Muslims Traveling to Syria to Fight 'Holy War'

Just wait till they filter back.

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Don't forget that in Britain we have suffered at the hands of a US-funded terrorist organisation , the IRA

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Don't forget that in Britain we have suffered at the hands of a US-funded terrorist organisation , the IRA

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Lets make the distinction between a government funded thing and one by private citizens when you say "US-funded".

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Don't forget that in Britain we have suffered at the hands of a US-funded terrorist organisation , the IRA

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Ad-hominem & Tu quoque

Double barreled Left wing deflection of the topic........Lame.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Lets make the distinction between a government funded thing and one by private citizens when you say "US-funded".

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Yes lets:
Search Results | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)
IRA SUPPORT FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS
Doc No/ESDN: CIA-RDP80M01048A001100020065-9
Pages: 2
No document available for download

How er... convenient.

Probably the CIA was funding the IRA in much the same way as they're funding currently Karzai in Afghanistan. The theory can't be proven but equally can't be disproven either.

Funding could have easily flowed to the IRA via NORAID; funding to NORAID could have just as easily flowed from the CIA through private citizens as well. Proving anything either way would be impossible now considering that most financial records would have been destroyed a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Pages: 2
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Probably the CIA was funding the IRA in much the same way as they're funding currently Karzai in Afghanistan. The theory can't be proven but equally can't be disproven either.

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You have ZERO proof except your jealous hatred of the USA. Don't even try to claim it can't be "disproven".

The burden of proof lies 100% with the accuser. That is you. So either prove it or admit you are wrong and apologize.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

You have ZERO proof except your jealous hatred of the USA. Don't even try to claim it can't be "disproven".

The burden of proof lies 100% with the accuser. That is you. So either prove it or admit you are wrong and apologize.

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Whilst I don't doubt a minority of European and American born Muslims are flying out to Syria/Afghanistan to fight against our allies, I do have to laugh at how you dismiss others opinions and links here. You Tony posted nothing more than a blog on an entertainment news site for your version of 'proof'. Considering how serious the topic of this thread is, I really shouldn't be reduced to laugher when reading such ridiculous hypocritical contradictions. Its all too easy to accuse others of 'jealous hatred' of the USA and I see you use that a little too much in threads like this. I really don't understand why anyone would have hatred for your country or be jealous of it in all seriousness or why that would be relevant here.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Yes lets:
Search Results | CIA FOIA (foia.cia.gov)
IRA SUPPORT FROM FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS
Doc No/ESDN: CIA-RDP80M01048A001100020065-9
Pages: 2
No document available for download

How er... convenient.

Probably the CIA was funding the IRA in much the same way as they're funding currently Karzai in Afghanistan. The theory can't be proven but equally can't be disproven either.

Funding could have easily flowed to the IRA via NORAID; funding to NORAID could have just as easily flowed from the CIA through private citizens as well. Proving anything either way would be impossible now considering that most financial records would have been destroyed a long time ago.

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OK, I confess, you caught us. Just like Iraq was all about cheap oil for the US and Afghanistan is all about cheap opium; we sent millions of dollars to the IRA to assure a continuous supply of cheap potatoes for our citizens. Now that it's out in the open, please try not to hate us.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The burden of proof lies 100% with the accuser.

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I'm glad the justice system doesn't work that way. Do you think it should?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Considering how serious the topic of this thread is, I really shouldn't be reduced to laugher when reading such ridiculous hypocritical contradictions.

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Oh, don't feel bad about it. Tony is a delightful source of ongoing amusement.