A bit boring at the front after Fernando and Nico dropped back, but the many hard fought battles made for an interesting race. Very entertaining.
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A bit boring at the front after Fernando and Nico dropped back, but the many hard fought battles made for an interesting race. Very entertaining.
well done Lotus
shame about Alo - no DRS and an extra stop -> 28sec behind P2
Some great battles throughout the race, shame about Alonso though.
it was much worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ranger
team of the race... Lotus. This is how you win a WCC, watch closely Merc, McLaren, Ferrari, et al...
Nice the Vettel fake scream - STFU
Time for Flavio to take the reins at Ferrari. Great job by the drug runner. Time for Webber to go to Aussie V8 series. Pretty good race all and all.
Rollo, this race is all the proof anyone needs how much better f1 is now than it was before pirelli/kers/drs and the new aero regs. A few years ago sakhir was boring as hell. Now we have some great wheel to wheel racing all race long. Hamilton vs Webber: fantastic.
Pretty much everyone vs everyone was fantastic.
so annoying to see vettel on the podium
He is celebrating like he did something special today
He basically ran away from the start after his main competitor Alonso ran into trouble
from there it was cruise control until the end.
Webber had an up and down race. At times, showing incredible pace, at other times suffering from tire deg.
DiResta and Grosjean had a brave fight
Perez silenced his doubters,and seems to be getting something out of Mclaren in this race
also, the mclaren looks much improved
Hamilton did very well to pass webber and salvage probably the maximum points he could from this race. I do think the fact they pitted him one lap too late at the 3 rd stop meant he dropped to p15 while he would have come out closer to grosjean and probably had a go at DiResta.
Alonso performed miracles with no DRS and essentaily, 1 extra pitstop, especially in close succession, which is almost like a drive through. That Ferrari has some raw pace.
Meanwhile massa was nowhere on the preferred strategy. Look at what DiResta & Co did with a long first stint on those mediums. Ok after that poor first stint, he then suffered 2 tire punctures, and I wonder how much of that was being too aggressive on the kerbs, running into the back of another car or some setup problem. But overall. a race to forget for him.
Lotus where excellent today
Rosberg, not so much. what the heck happened, in looking out how things panned out if hamilton did not have that 5 grid penalty where would he be. BTW it's 4-0 hamilton. He made his tires work. Nico didn't.
I think that Nico would have been better served letting Vettel and alonso go by early then managing his race from there, instead of swerving around trying to defend then losing out and wrecking his tires.
Defending p1 on lap 2/3 is not that important to an overall race strategy imo.
Sutil's season is turning into MSC's 2012 season. that Force India is fast. Good Job DiResta. Sad for Sutil
There was some terrific wheel to wheel dogfights. At least the drivers weren't told how to race because of 'tyre management'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
The only crap race I recall is 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by webberf1
Great race! Kudos to Mclaren for allowing Perez to pester Button for the good part of the race in light of the presence of their main sponsor señor Simms. In effect ruining Buttons race but its Mclaren's mantra to let drivers race each other even if it means compromising the team's strategy.
good racing everywhere, except for the lead of the race. That is the problem.
and the so obviously fake scream...... :rolleyes:
That's not quite fair. He didn't get the lead by default, he had to wrestle down both Alonso and Rosberg to get there. We have a lot of people saying that Vettel can't fight. Today he did. When Fernando ran into trouble, Vettel was already out of DRS range, so he didn't get it gifted completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
And he did something special. He won a race. That's special by default, because 23 other guys didn't. Every driver, who wins a GP did something special. Even Maldonado.
Its the other way around for me. Button as ruining Perez's race. Perez was obviously half a second quicker and defended aggressively then had the nerve to complain. What did he expect, perez to hold station behind him and allow Alonso to pass him?Quote:
Originally Posted by longisland
the proof was how quick perez was once he got passed buton and alons made a quick meal of him too. then button had to pit for a 4th time.
I'm sorry, but Button was a donkey today and all he did was compromise Perez today.
sorta fair enough. He earned it with his first 2 laps action, where of course the RBR is mighty.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
If you look back at every race since full tanks came in, RBR has had the measure of its competitors on the opening laps, especially in Vettel's hands.
But, I grudgingly acknowledge a solid race from him, and fastest lap. So I'll say he did good, but not worthy of an almighty scream like he had just had a historic race. Its far too exuberant based on the outcome.
I guess every win is special.
Button needs to shut up
He is slagging Perez in his interview with sky
What a loser,
so much for a "team leader"
Perez has nothing to apologize for.
With the improving car, it seems like perez is doing what folks thought he could do, slightly outperform the car, while Button did what many here think he always does, simply drive only to the limitations of the car.
and during the interview with whitemarsh he also has a very slight dig at Perez for touching button from behind which is not really within context
1. Button was all over the track, weaving in and out
2. Button slightly brake checked him. I watched it 3 times now and it is clear that Button was too slow in that corner
3. Button is lucky not to get a penalty for simply running Perez off the track
4. Has Whitemarsh talked to Button and told him that what he did running his teammate off the track was wrong?
They are making it as if Perez purpoosly hit Button from behind
so annoying
At least Button i sorta walking back some of his anger a bit, and is trying to make light of the situation
Didn't realize Button ran out of rubber and was holding up Checo. Then the fault will lie squarely on Mclaren for ruining the team's race. So much for allowing drivers to race each other. Again, Kudos to Mclaren.
If I'm Red Bull, I'm not celebrating too much. Vettel is in the lead, but only 10 points ahead of Raikkonen. RBR leads the WCC, but Lotus is only 16 points behind. Two weeks before Spain, and the heat will be on Red Bull as Webber isn't doing too good as of late. Another 2-car podium by Lotus and things will get kinda skittish in Austria.
lol
Davidson exposes Button and the man is at a loss for words
brilliant
in looking back, Perez is also lucky to get away with running Alonso off the track. Although that was a little less obvious, it was still out of bounds IMO.
the mistake was made before the start of the season. They let Hamilton go, kept Button, and brought in Perez. Now, you have a situation where Sergio is more faster than Jensen, in every way (does this situation look familiar?... RBR, to be exact), and the driver that would've been a better fit passed him for a higher spot in the race today; his former teammate, no-less.
I will say that I did see an awful lot of what I thought was double movement when blocking in the race, which I imagine will get addressed at some point this season. If a driver is on a straight starts veering to the right, and then changes his trajectory by turning further to the right, that is surely blocking twice. Unless the stewards simply interpret the rule as being unable to swerve from left to right.
+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
ferrari had the best car today, but vettel was already putting time on alonso after making that gutsy move on him. pressured alonso into a slight area then punished him dearly.
no, the ferrari had the best race pace today.Quote:
Originally Posted by gm99
Nothing made sense in this race result.
Alonso had 2 unnecessary stops, no DRS and finishes 8th. Brilliant.
Rosberg qualifies on pole and receives a boat anchor for the race. Whatever happened to his car in Parc Ferme should be investigated - Make his car pee into a bottle.
Lotus barely get one car into Q3 and finish 2nd and 3rd because their PS3 was able to simulate the tyres better than anyone elses PS3?
The race for 5th consisted of cars trying not run out of fuel trying not to be caught by other cars trying not to run out of fuel. :crazy:
Commentators were saying tyres, tyres, tyres when they probably should've been saying fuel, fuel, fuel! Aren't the commentators told that the cars have to run on 4 cylinders for most of the race?
This race was a nonsense and Vettel made the rest of the grid look very, very ordinary.
:)
LOL at alonso already claiming he's been very very unlucky twice. malaysia was his fault for hitting vettel then his fault for not coming in despite the team waiting with the wing. bad luck in bahrain but he chose to use the DRS a second time.
did he even have a mechanical problem or botched pit stop last year??? only bad luck he had was getting taken out at spa. perez gifted him malaysia 2012, vettel and hamilton scored 0 at valencia while he scored 25.
vettel broke down with the lead at valencia.
hamilton broke down while dominating a race twice, plus all the pit stop screw ups, fuel screw up in spain, etc.
"Nothing made sense in this race result.
Alonso had 2 unnecessary stops, no DRS and finishes 8th. Brilliant."
alonso finishing 8th makes sense when you have the strongest car in the field. vettel didn't use drs for most of the day. kimi was in open space not using drs for most of the day (except traffic of course).
then why bother watching :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Whyzars
it was an exciting race
and the tires played less of a factor today
thankfully
I was out all day and have just finished watching the race.
That was a decent one for sure.
Vettels first 2 laps were brilliant and then he used Red Bulls pace well and got a dominant win.
The tyres were more under control today, but DRS on these long straights almost looked dangerous at times. The speed at which cars caught rivals meant people defending were defending against someone flying at them 20KPH faster or whatever.
There was some great battling in midfield and some silly incidents.
Some great racing outside the DRS zones too so it was a good race all round.
The tires are starting to get a little ridiculous now... not sure what happened to Massa, twice, but looked like a catastrophic failure in the same tire. Maybe something damaged on the floor of the car causing surface damage to the tire and resulting in failure? I don't see any obvious explanation for Hamilton's practice failure, though.
Because its F1. I've always watched F1.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Just like I did with grooved tyres, I will eagerly await the race changing madness that is DRS and KERS being relegated to the dustbin of history... :)
Lotus 2nd and 3rd, after qualifying well down the grid, showed that tyres, or fuel load, had a huge impact on this race result. You said yourself in an earlier post that Webber was suffering from the tyre degradation and he was one of many. Add a DRS zone which can destroy a racers race, should he get caught whilst on old tyres, and I see this F1 result as a nonsense.Quote:
it was an exciting race
and the tires played less of a factor today
thankfully
If the tyres are behaving as designed then we don't need the DRS, easy as that. Alonso's DRS failing in the open position is something that was never supposed to happen, guess what, it did. He was fortunate his race did not end spectacularly.
I don't get moist over the DRS deciding race results for 5th place. I like my race action at the pointy end and there wasn't any. Look at the ease with which Grosjean cruised through the field, assisted by the DRS, and tell me how he did this if it wasn't tyres - or fuel.
We have Parc Ferme in F1. When we see cars going backwards through the field and others coming forward, it can only be two things - tyres and/or fuel. We can all see what tyres teams are running but the race fuel load at the start is not publicised and should be. At least when the top ten had to qualify in full race trim there was no mystery - that was in the days of fuel stops as well so it is more important now. Teams could also be compelled to advertise burn rate through the race.
Rosberg drove a dominant qualifying lap to stick it on pole. He and his team mate, both accomplished drivers, were unable to finish better than 5th with Rosberg going backwards from the first lap. Qualifying is not straw drawing and when qualifying does not represent race reality there is something odd happening.
Angela Landsbury performs in mysteries, Nico Rosberg does not.
All in good fun... :)
Interesting point. I see Webber getting enormous amounts of abuse for apparently underperforming in the "best car" on the grid, yet Rosberg - in the dominant car in qualifying (Bieber himself said Rosberg was too fast) had the handbrake on from the off. As did Hamilton. Where's the calls for them to be fired for underperforming? Or is this just over excited armchair experts giving out the authoritah? Or it could be boring and predictable dross? Who can tell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Whyzars
To be fair, Button started in front, was making good progress before and after the 1st stops, but Perez and Rosberg both pitted before him in the 2nd stops. Button came out behind, caught and passed them both, but in doing so appears to have taken the best of the tyres and Perez stayed in the DRS zone. The following battle clearly finished Button's tyres. That period was the only period when Perez was really quicker, prior to that Button appeared as quick if not quicker. I also think they both drove well, exceeded the car at time and for me had a great battle. It was a bit close to the lines of reasonable at times, but they got away with it. The knock on the rear and banging wheels when side by side I put on Perez's side, I also think Button was a little "robust" when Perez ran out of road, although he was only partly alongside.Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
It's also interesting to see the Mclaren being a decent car in race trim, its not the quickest, but was mixing it with the Mercs, Massa and Webber yesterday. It seems very much like Ferrari in 2012. A change in suspension (to pull-rod) a car that lacks grip in qually and is somewhere around a second of the ultimate pace, but improves immeasureably on the Sunday.
I think this is a bit unfair to criticize people for being happy, whenever it goes well in life? When should we be happy at all then?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I would personally celebrate with full enjoyment and emotion whenever I win, unless something tragic happened in the race or the race leader retired with a car failure on the last lap, then it would feel slightly strange as well. You've got to enjoy life, especially if you do well, don't you?
Oh, Garry. What can I say, mate. I would kindly recommend for you to follow another sport, which creates you happier emotions, as long as Vettel is still in F1. :) Because he threatens to stay in F1 for a long time and be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
As for Gutiérrez, I see that he finished among Caterhams and Marussias in the last race - that in a Sauber, which you would probably expect to be significantly more competitive. So you do not convince me that Gutiérrez can dominate anything even in the fastest car. :)
He did ok job, I wouldn't call such result brilliant in the presence of so much noise. Vettel had finished on the podium from the last position in the last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whyzars
What happened probably is that Rosberg got the suspension settings he asked for, which still makes him a donkey.Quote:
Rosberg qualifies on pole and receives a boat anchor for the race. Whatever happened to his car in Parc Ferme should be investigated - Make his car pee into a bottle.
Vettel got lucky because Alonso had a mechanical problem early in the race. After that Vettel had no real competition. This was one of the easiest wins. A pretty ordinary Vettel win IMO. Besides Alonso-Ferrari the rest of the grid is not competitive with him on consistent basis.Quote:
This race was a nonsense and Vettel made the rest of the grid look very, very ordinary.
:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
He did smash into one on lap 1 so lost 40 seconds odd pitting for a new nose, but he still didnt manage to overhaul them. Which may say a bit about Marussia and Caterhams improved pace as well as Estebans race from hell.