Mikkelson should be fighting for the win considering his superb road position, his undoubted talent and now some good testing days under his belt....
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Mikkelson should be fighting for the win considering his superb road position, his undoubted talent and now some good testing days under his belt....
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I really don't think so. I think there is a big learning curve with all the drivers since the beginning of the season with the new cars and we can't see ut because it was more or less simultanious for most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Testing is good but the big things you learn during the actual events.
Mikkelson ?? are you special kid ?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Well son, he's been made out to be some sort of God while he's been out of a drive and his stock has risen and risen. Let's see if he has got what it takes in a rally he won last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Or maybe he'll just manage to step up to Breen's pace in this rally, after setting times Lefebvre wouldn't have even been happy with in Sardinia ;)
Lappi has ruined that theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Yeah to a degree. He really has been testing that car forever now.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Who are You talking about. Who is Mikkelson?Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
He really hasn't beenQuote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Sorry, Mikkelsen ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Hehe. I think he means the Swedish half brother of Andreas Mikkelsen :eek:
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I almost thought Citroen are so desperate they hired driver we never heard of before.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Yes, he's been involved since pre-season.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Check the previous page, he hasn't tested a lot. It was Suninen who did the pre season testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Watson
Hänninen has been Toyota's main test guy. Lappi has tested like 8 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
And I think Lappis learning curve increased most in Portugal and Sardinia events.
Which is a damn side more than Mikkelsen. I have a feeling the C3 is not competitive at all unless you find the perfect setup (Meeke in Mexico, Breen every once in a while) or you have balls of steel (Meeke all the time). But the latter method will bite back.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Edit: This was a reply to Rally power who said that the break between Loeb and Citroen was a myth. Can't refind the post though and it looks like I forgot to qoute.
I'm not convinced. He drove Peugeots at various rallies since and haven't driven a Ctiroen. The one at rallylegend will be his first for a long while.
That said, it would be great if he could come in and save the miserable situation Citroen has put themselves in.
The way things are going, I fear I will see Ogier in the team next season :(
Maybe Hyundai should drop him for a rally.... http://www.autosport.com/news/report...of-ypres-rally
It's just what happens when you run without gravel crew, half the top field went off.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...-wird-c3-wrcs/ a few changes to the C3 WRC sorry C3 WRCS.
That 'name change' is really ridiculous. It has the air of an attempt of trying to polish a turd.
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/ar...-wird-c3-wrcs/
For the season, Citroën used so-called jokers, which allow further developments at the car. The French were able to homologate from the FIA two changes to the rear differential to modify the torque distribution between the axles. To document the new beginning also externally, the C3 WRC has now been officially renamed C3 WRCS.
So Matton says..
"We have noticed that some of the risks we have experienced during the development of the C3 have not paid off," said Teamchef Yves Matton. "Our car is undoubtedly fast, but it turned out that the window in which it works optimally is very narrow. In addition, we have made some important changes in our organization, our methods and our principles. "
If you strip anyway the political correctness... we fucked up.
"THE CHALLENGES: UPGRADES FOR THE C3 WRCS
After the end of Rally Italia Sardegna, the team’s engineers and crews immediately headed for Poland, where they spent four days testing in the Mikolajki region. Andreas Mikkelsen/Anders Jæger, Craig Breen/Scott Martin and Stéphane Lefebvre/Gabin Moreau took turns behind the wheel as they adapted the set-up of the Citroën C3 WRC to the specific features of the Polish roads. Following this session, Citroën Racing submitted two upgrades to the FIA: homologation of a new rear differential rail and a mechanical ‘joker’ in order to modify the torque split between the axles. After a series of results that have fallen short of its targets, Citroën Racing has renewed its determination to get back to challenging for podiums.
Having won once and finished as runner-up twice in the last three years, Andreas Mikkelsen has good reason to feel confident of a strong result at Rally Poland. Due to a delay in sourcing the new components, his C3 WRC will be the only one to have the newly-homologated ‘joker’. If roads are dry, the Norwegian is also likely to benefit from a good road position on day one, giving him a chance to be well placed for the following legs."
It's nice to post a source for a quote http://www.rallyreportwrc.com/2017/0...troen-c3-wrcs/
I am bit confused. After the test they changed some parts but they will first come in the rally? Meaning Mikkelsen couldn't actually test/find setup with them?
Sounds like that. Maybe he couldn't set up the car to his style so they had to make a new version to his specs?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Yes, that... from the official Citroën media pressQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think they probably got one new diff in the test car and all drivers agreed that it was an improvement. So, Citroen decided to homologate it but couldn't manufacture 3 sets of it plus spares in time. No1 driver gets priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Could Mikkelsen actually be fast having made changes to the car? But will he pull off a Meeke, and crash from lead? Or will he continue to "learn the car"? Or will the new parts fail him? Lots of open questions.
Seems even more ridiculous to drop Meeke now. Admit they got the car wrong, and bin the one guy who dragged a win out of it. Lefebvre is slow and crashes...
Wonder if Mikkelsen told Citroen what was in the diff of the 2017 VW, and Citroen went back to workshop to make their own version?
If you read some of my earlier posts i believe the diff torque split (among other things) was requested by Meeke some time ago, but they refused to even test it.
And Meeke is fast and crashed as well. At the end of the day, they are the same, not bringing in any manufacturer points and causing heavy repair bills for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
Let's see... Who was the development driver of said car again? Oh yeah... Meeke.Quote:
Originally Posted by doubled1978
He is appearing more and more useless.
But Meeke's bravery (whether it be right or wrong) and pace convinced Citroen they had a quick car capable of winning rallys.. when actually they dont.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TWRC
He test drove the car when it was presented infront of him. Major concepts of the car are wrong. He was not, nor did Citroen have, a development driver.
Pretty much everyone everywhere claimed the Citroen was the fastest before this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Personally after having evaluated the season so far, I believe Citroen to be on approximately the same level as Toyota and Ford (i.e. Behind Hyundai).
If we remember last seasons, Citroen was capable to win with Meeke only when they had a road order advantage over the Ogier/VW combo. Now they outpace the Ogier/Ford combo also from a similar or worse road position with Meeke and similar pace with Breen on individual stages.
Citroen has managemental, and reliability issues (and massive driver issues with Meeke), but I don't believe the car to be fundamentally flawed.
Sensitive to setup maybe... But not incapable.
It capable on smooth tarmac
Maybe we will see after Poland
Perhaps, but Mattons comments tend to suggest they know the fault lay with them. And if as others have said they wouldn't let him try the different torque split etc, then how can he be responsible for the development direction of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
When all is said and done, only the team really know, but from watching all the onboard action on WRC+ its clear the suspension is terrible when compared with the others, and that the rear is always a big fight to keep stable. If the car was confidence inspiring, Im sure Mikkelsen would have been quicker than he was in Italy, he was miles off. Im not saying Meeke is blameless, but to say he is useless is frankly just bollocks.