PLuto, do you know something about the European Regional Rally Cups? I know they are not very popular, but I prefer FIA continue with them ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
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PLuto, do you know something about the European Regional Rally Cups? I know they are not very popular, but I prefer FIA continue with them ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Why? I find them completely useless...
Yesss ... :-)
Anyway I think Valousek came to Waldviertel Rallye due to that European Cup? He had the chance there to be Overall Champion, also Orsak made entry but told Monday before the race not to come. For us its a pleasure if some Czech drivers enter in Austrian Rally, and if there are some Top drivers ... I speak only about Central cup, South and East are indeed useless with 4 races.
Yes, I know a lot about it. But we must wait till it will be approved. European Cup will survive, but with a little different system oldschool system...Quote:
Originally Posted by werner
You must be the only man on planet Earth who likes those useless cups :)Quote:
Originally Posted by werner
Thanks for the info about Kubica. Robert is a very private person and even we in Poland very often have no idea what he is planning :)
[quote="Jarek Z"]You must be the only man on planet Earth who likes those useless cups :)
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Jarek, you know me, I am very strange and made many many statistics of ERC in 80ies and 90ies :-) Without Internet, all with contacts to Organizer. I met a lot of people at that time. And ofcourse visits at 20 ERC races each year in that period ... you remember there were 50+ events with different coeff ... so I still like the ERC also with his cups. I agree the useless, but if Waldviertel Rallye with Coef 5 this year gets some entries with S2000 from foreign countries, its welcome! At least Valousek lost the Championship as he finished second overall, with a win he could overtake Kopecky in Central cup.
Quote from the calendar press release:
"In parallel, Eurosport Events is working hard developing a new ERC brand identity and website. We expect the level of TV exposure to be even higher than the outstanding coverage delivered for the IRC. We will keep pushing our pioneering live broadcasts."
Good news, and the calendar sounds pretty decent too now with the inclusion of Sanremo and Valais.
Little bit disappointed about no manufacturers championship though.
The most ridiculous of these cups is when a driver wins without knowing. It happened once with Rui Madeira in 2002. He only became aware after a while.
It happened more often. I guess also with Kris Meeke two years back or this time with Jan Kopecký. I doubt he was ever thinking about it. It's just a result of coincidences and too many cup rounds being part of Czech championship.
Thats right! I remember when 9 years ago a Driver got an invitation to FIA Prize giving, he didnt know why ... :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Pacheco
C4 from Ré or the rumored Greiffenberg C4 WRC..?Quote:
Originally Posted by werner
I think the TV is really important - and they have to get it right. Realistically, all events in the ERC need the same coverage, having some live, some highlights only is no good - it gives the impression that not all events are equal. Which would be my slight criticism of the IRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
About Azores they are talking about 4 live stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Originally Posted by mousti
Sorry, dont know, I should ask. But rumors says Greiffenberg.
Edit: C4 should come from Tamauto Italy, same as Sossella.
I agree it would be nice but we have to be realistic, live tv is not cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
If I had to chose between some live/some highlights or no live at all I know which I would choose!
That's good news, I would like to see Cyprus and San Marino (however likely or otherwise that is) in plus I think there is a better spread between the tarmac and gravel rallies compared to that rumoured calendar a few weeks ago. Surprised that Circuit of Ireland has moved into March though - is that when Easter weekend is next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Some news from Bulgaria....
Yesterday there was a short interview/article in a newspaper with the ex-federation president Yanakiev who said that rally Bulgaria has all the chances to get into the list as well.
I'll try to translate the main lines from the article:
- Rally Bulgaria has the chance to be included in the new Euro Championship if the debts would be cleared. *Debts of Rally Sliven to Eurosport.[/*:m:37zu6cr7]
- Our rallies were dropped after Eurosport took over the promoter rights for 2013. The reason is in the debt of 110 000 euro that are not yet paid for rally Sliven. This amount was deducted by half from Eurosport. I spoke with Mr.Ribeiro and he is ready to come in Bulgaria for serious meeting with the Bulgarian Federation.[/*:m:37zu6cr7]
- Yanakiev also said that he is not happy at all to lose the presence of Bulgaria in the European championship only because "one unnecessary and redundant contract was made" for rally Sliven.[/*:m:37zu6cr7]
- Right now there is a free date on 26/27 of July. Also some rounds are under question.[/*:m:37zu6cr7]
- There is requirement from Eurosport that Rally Bulgaria should have 30% gravel stages. Yanakiev said that he is convinced that this demand can be fulfilled.[/*:m:37zu6cr7]
- Yanakiev also said that Eurosport sent a letter for the open case about rally Sliven. Eurosport warned that they are ready to sue them (probably the organizer of rally Sliven) for the whole amount of 330 000 euro at court of London.[/*:m:37zu6cr7]
That's the main story from this article.
What I get is that new eurosport ERC will again be about money....... and I´m not surprised...
I find Your comment strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon
Rally Sliven signed some agreement with Eurosport events. Based on that agreement they agreed to pay some fee to be part of IRC instead of plenty other candidates. Rally Sliven obviously didn't pay the fee or big part and therefore broke the agreement. It's natural Eurosport events wants the agreement to be fulfilled and considers to take a legal action. From the information above it looks clear that the cause of problem is on side of Rally Sliven.
My comment is about 2013 and the attitude of eurosport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
It is one think to claim the money from the Rally Sliven 2012 organiser, which I fully agree since they did not fulfilled their contract obligations towards Eurosport.
But when they say that the events in Bulgaria were dropped from the 2013 calendar after eurosport took the promoter role gives me the impression that in 2013, eurosport will choose the events based on who has money to pay…
And once again I’m not surprised seeing that happening during our times with recession and all thinks associated with it
Hope I made myself more clear.
I find Eurosport eliminating Bulgaria at all as a host country for an event because of unpaid fee of Rally Sliven organizers little strange. Rally Bulgaria and Rally Sliven are different events and has no relations to each other in terms of organization. Obviously Eurosport insists "someone" to pay, no matter who.
Gravel stages in Rally Bulgaria, I want to see that. It would be good for the Rally :D
Show me please a top motorsport championship where the event organizers are part of the championship for free. That's quite impossible these days. For example Moto GP of Czech republic pays some 3 million Euro to Dorna to be in the calendar and the F1 races pay even more ridiculous prices (30 million Euro or so if I am not mistaken). The prices asked in rallying are just a fraction of those in F1 or even Moto GP. WRC events pay too, remember how they were angry to pay 100000 Euro more according to FIA proposal for 2013?
Than it is natural that the championship promoter/organizer is choosing solid partners. Will You sell Your products to someone about whom You know that he didn't pay to other producers or even to You in the past? I wouldn't. That's a question of trust.
I'm not saying Eurosport don't have to be paid, they have to of course, but it is entirely organizers of Rally Sliven's fault not paying in time. Other events in Bulgaria shouldn't suffer of this. On the other hand Eurosport didn't broadcasted anything on TV except 1-2 minutes in Motorsport weekend about IRC Sliven Rally in return.
Sorry, that was not meant to be a reply to You but to Leon. You were just faster than me :)
Eliminating Bulgarian events completely sure look strange but we don't know the role of national ASN in the case of Sliven. That may be the point.
As far as I know ASN took it's financial engagement to the event, but this was symbolic amount. There might be some administrative hinderances which I don't know of, but I'm sure Mr. Yanakiev is more familiar with these :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Rally "Liepāja - Ventspils 2013" Rally Guide has released - Rally Guide | Rally Liep
It was clear, that Sliven behaviour will affect the credibility of all Bulgarian rallies and that's the case.
Eurosport prefers to collect some money in time instead of wasting time in court, thus they play their cards well offering that opportunity to Bulgarian federation ... moreover, FIA should be happy, having in mind friendships of Geogre Yanakiev.
Looks very expensive event, big entry fee, 3 different service zones, a lot of liasons... not good as I was really looking forward to this event. Anybody know what studs will be allowed? I hope proper long ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by sindroms
In the guide it says Sweden type, this must be the one I guess...Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Yes, long studs. Confirmed also in interview with Mr. Ribeiro from Eurosport.
I think that 1000 EUR for private and 1600 EUR for legal "early" entrant for nearly 300km of SS in European Rally Championship round is not that expensive? Considering the fact that you can get some coverage in Eurosport.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Entry fee for Rally Estonia was 600 EUR and it was around 160 km :-)
They are talking about one more possible stage. I hope it will be on ice (One the lake or smth) :-)
But for the spectators it will be difficult indeed. Four stages in the dark, pretty long liasons in witery roads etc.
It all depends on your rally watching habits/style and in this case where you stay at also. The most suitable format for me seems - 1 full stage on Friday, 2 full stages - on Saturday and Sunday (in both days stages will be run twice). No rush, no need to trying to find stages in the dark time and walk a few km. Drive in before stages are closed, find the spots, enjoy. And vice-versa - if you are tended to see as much as possible :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Maybe with entry fee you're right, but anyway it's a lot in my opinion.
Bigger problem is the fact that rally caravan have to move a lot, first Liepaja, then Venstspils, so you have to change accomodation place, 3 different service zones (incl. one remote), long liason sections.
Also for spectators it's little bit difficult with a lot of driving or changing sleeping place, which makes things more expensive.
And I'm really not complaining just to complain, I was (and still am) looking forward to this event, just I think whole logistics and expences because of that are really big...
If I'm correct there will be round of LRC run together with ERC round, in fact even two rounds, I can't find any details about it, anything already in the internet?
Yeah, I am not the one who is running from Ss1 to ss2 and then to SS3. Usually I take first stage, then service and then from service to second or third stage of the afternoon. In most rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by sindroms
Do you have any information about the road conditions between Liepaja and Venstpils. It was not nice in last spring. Have they improved it? Sorry for extending this topic. Is the Liepaja rally topic already open?
As far as organizers have released info about stages... As a spectator I would prefer get accommodation in Kuldiga. Longest liason could be on Friday - about 80km (one way). Saturday and Sunday - no more than 30km (one way) each day ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Yes so it is. Friday and Saturday - 1st round, Sunday - 2nd round. No further info yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
I'm afraid there's no major changes. But seems to me it wont be the main route for spectators... All following info - in separate topic :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
...sindroms: I have got one more question for you. What is the snow-cover conditions in beginning of February near Kuldiga? You know, I am little bit worried about event quite nearby the sea and I only pray for more "winter rally" than for example Swedish rally 2008..that was disaster: http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/wrc/s...40_sousa_1.jpg
That's main question for everyone, anything could happen. Closeness of sea make weather very changeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by liposh
For example on February 1.-3. in 2012 temperature in that region droped down to minus 20 degrees and snow cover was excellent. But that's exception. In general average temperature is about minus 5-8 degrees and snow cover is ok. Organizers has made researches about previous ten years weathers conditions and has find first weekend on February as a more safest date.
But we have to ask bluuford - he could provide more usefull info about what we can expect ;)
If this rally is similar to Rally Sweden it will be great adding to the European championship!
The European rally series needs one 100% snow event.
GekoYpresRally Facebook: M-Sport, Prodrive, Škoda Deutschland, A-Style or Kronos are named as examples of teams interested to take part in the new ERC
I think it is taken from interview with Francois Ribeiro (Autosport)Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti