so, 6 M and 4 T = 10 cars driving for "manu" pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Prokop, Bouffier and Maurin are "outsiders"
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so, 6 M and 4 T = 10 cars driving for "manu" pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Prokop, Bouffier and Maurin are "outsiders"
3 competitors in WRC3...
Nice entry list. But for MC are almost always nice entries. Will see on other rallies if it will be 40 cars...
I must say that I am little bit disappointed by entry list... No Mini, no Solberg, no Delecour, no Tanak, no Andersson, no Atkinson, no Campana... ...and no Nobre. Interviews in finish of stages will be boring :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
At least there will be no football-talk. :)
Kosciuszko is driving a Mini...Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I was thinking if I should write "fast Mini" or "Prodrive". Yes, Kosciuszko is there, but he will not be fast :)
Meant about quantity.:P
in the pdf file it says at the bottom T:Team Manufacturer.. like Sordo and Hanninen...are they gonna be scoring points for their team in the manufacturer championship?
Yes, just like Adapta and Qatar WRT last year for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostmourne
No Nikara.. :(
I heard he lost a bet... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
No, serious, it's a pitty he's not driving, let's hope we can see him in Sweden. :)
I didnt believed in his (Nikara) start on Monte. He has no money to do it, especially with WRC car.
Is there anyone who can explain me the menaing of "P - Promotion?" Why some P - drivers have numbers between WRC2 and WRC3?
Seems Bouffier still needs 15% of the budget for the DS3 WRC..Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Abu Dhabi Citroen WRT will run for the manufacturer championship with Al Qassimi (8 rallies) and other drivers for the other 5 rounds, like Sordo in Monte Carlo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostmourne
Qatar WRT will run also for the manufacturer championship with Neuville (13 rallies) and Al Attiyah, who will do 7 rallies, so there is room for replacement drivers at Qatar WRT Ford.
Citroen has M1 (Citroen Total Abu Dhabi) and a M2 (Abu Dhabi Citroen) team, Ford also has a M1 (Qatar M-Sport WRT) and a M2 (Qatar WRT)
Ok, but just to be sure, M2 for Citroen and M2 for Ford will be scoring points for 7 rounds only, as they are registered as "teams" right?Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
So, it seems Ford have stuck their hand in their pocket and registered for the Championship. That's great news for WRC. Still 3 manufacturers involved.
No matter how you spin it, this couldn't happen without Ford's involvement - so they still have an interest. It's not all doom and gloom. Perhaps the 'withdrawal from title sponsorship' was purely just a political ploy to get them through the period of redundancies and factory closures.
So, why isn't the name "Ford" in the teamname then??? They are not involved at all I think!Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
Isn't it about 240 000€ entry fee for manufacturer?
No, that means at least 7 rounds. They will do all rounds, most likely. There is no point to register two teams as a manufacturers. One costs over 300 000 EUR, other costs 21 000 EUR for one car team and 42 000 Eur for 2 cars team. Only problem is the number of test days (manu gets 42 days, Team gets 15 days).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostmourne
So, We have one Mini also registered as a Team. That means one Mini for at least 7 rounds.
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Originally Posted by Frostmourne
which Mini team is M2 registered?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Lotos Team WRC (ITA)Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Well, this is what written in wikipedia "In the WRC Championship, entries registered as manufacturers must enter all thirteen rounds of the championship with a minimum of two cars. Major entries that are not registered as manufacturers must contest at least seven events – including at least one outside Europe – with a one or two-car team. These entries may only score points in a maximum of seven rounds."Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Unless this is refering to something else.....I know wikipedia not very reliable source, but to me it was the only source until I found this forum :)
edit: I doubled checked it with WRC 2013 regulations pdf file. You are correct bluuford. I will edit that sentence in wikipedia :)
so the startingnumbers for 2013 will be ?
1 Citroen Total Abu Dhabi WRT - Loeb
2 Citroen Total Abu Dhabi WRT - Hirvonen
3 Citroen Total Abu Dhabi WRT - Sordo
4 Qatar M-Sport WRT - Ostberg
5 Qatar M-Sport WRT - Novikov
6 Qatar WRT (M2) - Al Attiyah / or replacing drivers
7 Volkswagen Motorsport - Latvala
8 Volkswagen Motorsport - Ogier
9 Volkswagen Motorsport - Mikkelsen
10 Abu Dhabi Citroen WRT (M2) - Al Qassimi / Sordo
11Qatar WRT (M2) - Neuville
12 Lotos Team WRC (M2) - Kosciuszko
Maybe this?
1 Citroen Total Abu Dhabi WRT - Loeb / Sordo
2 Citroen Total Abu Dhabi WRT - Hirvonen
3 Qatar M-Sport WRT - Ostberg
4 Qatar M-Sport WRT - Novikov
5 Qatar WRT (M2) - Neuville
6 Qatar WRT (M2) - Al Attiyah / or replacing drivers (like Hänninen)
7 Volkswagen Motorsport - Latvala
8 Volkswagen Motorsport - Ogier
9 Abu Dhabi Citroen WRT (M2) - Al Qassimi / Sordo
10 Lotos Team WRC (M2) - Kosciuszko
When comes FIA with teams list?
No, alleskids is almost correct.
Citroen have 1,2,3. Number 1 is used only when Loeb takes part.
Qatar M-Sport WRT has 4,5.
Qatar WRT has nr 6. Neuville joined on the very last moment and therefore he got the first available number. NR11
VW has nr 7 and 8. Mikkelsen is not part on M team, so, his number should be somewhere further behind
Abu Dhabi Citrone Total World Rally Team has nr 10
Lotos is nr 12
There will be probably one more team carring number 9 on its car
You are quick learner! These 96 (or smth) pages are useful reading to understand many basics in the sport called WRC ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostmourne
I am supervising a few students in the university and we have unwritten rule that wikipedia is not reliable source to cite in scientific research work. However, sometimes it is possible to find a few facts, names etc. as a backround information. It is very simple and quick source indeed:-)
Mikkelsen could be #9 if Volkswagen is going with M2 team.
Why Citroen didn't use #3 for Sordo in MC?
I'm guessing it has something to do with the way numbers are allocated. Citroen will run Sordo in Loeb's place when Loeb isn't competing, and since Sordo won't use the #1 during those rallies, he's likely to be #3 by default, in the same way that Andreas Mikkelsen is likely to be #9 when he drives for Volkswagen. Since the #3 was already taken, Sordo got the first number that was available after each of the works teams had been assigned numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
Prisoner Monkeys is correct :)
Abu Dhabi Citroen WRT will be entering all 13 round sof 2013, even if Al Qassimi only does 8 rallies. so the team will have replacement drivers in 5 rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by tolis
my guess is that Sordo will be entering more rallies for Abu Dhabi Citroen to have the M2 team of Citroen maximum scorings oppertunity... and hopefully disrupt Ford/M-Sport scorings opportunity.
Dani Sordo will switch duties in het #3 Citroen Total Abu Dhabi car and the # 10 Abu Dhabi Citroen car in 2013
If that is the case DS has definitely accepted perpetual No2 status!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
No, it is easy. From beginning was sure all 13 events for Hirvonen, so he was officiall nominated as first driver (starting number 2). Dani is nominated as second driver to score points for team as he wasnt sure for all events (and to be replaced by Loeb in four events).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
That's indeed the most logical thought. Hirvonen is the true Nr one there and this is one of Loeb rallies he'll do so it would be stupid to let the King not score points for the priority team.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
The weird thing is that the rule has been applied in two different ways. Using my logic of allocating numbers to teams in order of priority, this is what the field should look like:Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
#1 - Loeb
#2 - Hirvonen
#3 - Sordo (when replacing Loeb)
#4 - Ostberg
#5 - Novikov
#6 - al'Attiyah
#7 - Latvala
#8 - Ogier
#9 - Mikkelsen
#10 - Sordo (at events Loeb contests)
#11 - al'Qassimi
#12 - Hanninen
#14 - Neuville
#15 - Kosciuszko
And then the non-manufacturer entries, like Prokop and Maurin, who have evidently been able to choose whichever number they wish. Given that the first WRC-2 entry is Lappi and he is #31, it appears that the rules have a provision for up to thirty WRC cars (more likely twenty-nine, given the superstition over the #13).
However, since the rule about number allocations appears to have been applied differently, this is what the numbers would/will look like if and when every car that is elegible for manufacturer points enters:
#1 - Loeb
#2 - Hirvonen
#3 - Sordo (when replacing Loeb)
#4 - Ostberg
#5 - Novikov
#6 - Hanninen
#7 - Latvala
#8 - Ogier
#9 - Mikkelsen
#10 - Sordo (at events Loeb contests)
#11 - Neuville
#12 - Kosciuszko
#14 - al'Qassimi
#15 - al'Attiyah
So from the looks of things, numbers are first of all allocated to the leading team for each manufacturer (ie Citroen Abu Dhabi, Qatar M-Sport). Then they are allocated to any additional cars that they intend to run, but have not entered in the first event (ie Sordo's Citroen Abu Dhabi entry, Mikkelsen's Polo). Then numbers are assigned to the second team for each manufacturer (ie Abu Dhabi Citroen, Qatar WRT), but only to the cars that are entered in the first event. Finally, numbers are assigned to the second team for each manufacturer to cars that missed the first event (ie al'Attiyah and al'Qassimi).
And before anyone points it out, al'Qassimi and Sordo cannot share the #10. Sordo's programme will see him do four events in Loeb's place, eight alongside al'Qassimi in the second team, with one left over (depending on which eight events al'Qassimi does). I'm not the best mathematician in the world, but at some point, Sordo and al'Qassimi have to contest at least one event in the same team, so they cannot share the #10.
Also, I noticed that the Bruno di Pianto/Lotos Team WRC entry is now listed as being eligible to score manufacturer points. Are they going to be sticking around for more than one rally?
For at least 7 rallies (one of them should be outside Europe)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Are they only entering the one car, or are they going to expand to two cars in the future? Since they're the old Mini Team Portugal entry, they'd have access to a second car - but at the same time, that might be too expensive. That said, Koscioszko's presence in the team leads me to believe that the "Lotos" in the team name actually refers to Grupa Lotos, a Polish oil consortium, which is registered on the WIG20, the twenty largest companies in Poland. They've sponsored Koscioszk in the past through their Dynamic brand, which I imagine is an engine lubricant like Castrol's Edge. So the teams should be able to get plenty of sponsorship for the team; perhaps enough to run two cars - especially if they were to put a second Polish driver in the car.
Of course, they could probably find a well-funded second driver out there somewhere. There's Ott Tanak, the van Merksteijns, Atkinson, Henning Solberg, Matthew Wilson, Jarkko Nikara, Dennis Kuipers, Hans Weijs and Evyind Brynildsen out there without drives (though I think Brynildsen has something lined up for Sweden).