According to Autosport.com Dani Sordo will be replace Latvala in Argentina.
Source: Dani Sordo set to stand in for injured Jari-Matti Latvala in Ford World Rally line-up - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
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According to Autosport.com Dani Sordo will be replace Latvala in Argentina.
Source: Dani Sordo set to stand in for injured Jari-Matti Latvala in Ford World Rally line-up - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com
Autosport.com is late, because some hours before we all knew that Sordo was in line to replace Latvala.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salist
Sordo doesn't run his twitter account, the other information is OK. Prodrive's permission was the last point of the agreement. Now they're finishing the documents needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salist
"Sordo was unavailable for comment, but has re-tweeted a website story confirming his deal with Ford".
They're not late, they're secure. Many Spanish sources published that everything was done when many things were only rumours (they know which of them are reliable). Sordo obtained Prodrive's permission this morning, they delayed the agreement to get more money for "lending" his driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Not true. :D
Catalunia 07 is a good example of what any team would do when they have a driver in a close fight for a championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Sordo had chances, Loeb didnt win every rally when they were together, Dani won none, I expect Citroen would have had no problem with Sordo winning a few when Loeb had problems but he doesnt have rally winning pace on gravel and Loeb had an incredible run on tar during the years they were together
What is not true?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
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Latvala gave an interview for Finnish broadcasting company YLE yesterday:
Nordic skiing is part of his normal practise. At the end of 18 km route there was a sudden full-stop.
"I was at the last downhill coming to the cabin when something hit the ski. There was something I didn't notice, because it had been snowing", Latvala says.
"You could compare the stop to running your bike into pavement and flying over the steering. I flew straight ahead and everything landed on the shoulder."
Latvala says that the severity of the damage came clear soon.
"At the moment I tried to get up, I realised it was not good. The pain was immense. I've never felt such pain before", Latvala describes.
"The collar bone shattered into two pieces, and it was pressing the nerve at the neck. I almost lost consciousness while trying to get up."
Latvala hiihto-onnettomuudestaan: "Meinasi taju lähteä" | Ralli | Moottoriurheilu | YLE Urheilu | yle.fi
To be "in line" is not the same as to be "confirmed". Sordo is not yet confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Sordo is "in line" since before yesterday.
Yes, like Germany 2011. The second driver beats the num 1 that is fighting for the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
The diference? A french one was authorized to challenge Loeb, four years later a Spanish one was not athorized.
Is interesting as you try to use the interest of the team as argument to explain the obvious. Ogier had the oportunities that Sordo never had.
But Sordo will prove the he is much better driver than what Citroen let him to be.
It is interesting to me that in the 58 events that sordo was number 2 to Loeb, Loeb won 33 events, Dani won none, he is an excellent tar driver, but he had chances to win on gravel with Citroen and never delivered.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
During the four years in which Sordo was Citroen's Pilot (2007-2010) there was 41 non tarmac rallyes. Only in 6 of those rallyes Sordo was able to finish right after Loeb. If the difference in results between Loeb and Sordo were mainly due to team's orders I would expect that Sordo would finish a lot of rallyes right after Loeb. Not 2 or more positions down!Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
In tarmac he is very fast. If it was'nt for Loeb he could have done in the last years the same thing Panizzi did between 2000 and 2003, ie, beeing the fastest tarmac rally driver on earth!
Currently Sordo is one of the best drivers. In Portugal he was amazingly fast in gravel. Perhaps he improved, perhaps Mini 01b is much better, perhaps it was due to road position. Probably a combination of those 3 factors.
I am hoping to see Sordo winning a rally very soon but he was never as fast as Loeb in non tramac rallyes. And in tarmac he was closer to Loeb than any other driver but only sometimes he was on pace with Loeb.
Im not sure how JML is feeling right now, but if her was up to it surly he could drive one handed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Im sure M-Sport could rig up some form of push button contraption for shifting gears and handbrake. They did a similar thing when McRae broke his finger, although this is obviously more severe.
The problem would not be the skill of driving - it would be the very direct pressure on that area by the mandatory harness and HANS device. there's no way around that no matter how good an engineer you are.
IMO is a bit strange that a driver can't improve during 5 years doing WRC gravel rallyes and testing with the best WRC team, and in only one year is able to improve dramaticaly his gravel skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcatanho
With the seat belt and Hans pressing the shoulder, is impossible to drive a rallycar on that situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
where did you see the improved gravel skills? When Loeb is out,Mikko cruising with 5th stage times,Latvala f@cked at all,and Ogier with s2000?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Get real guys,Argentina is close....
So Sordo with Ogier equal in terms of speed,just citroen didn t allowed him to win cause his nationality........Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Ogier is much quicker but also crash prone.
Loeb was out in Sweden? Miko 5th?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Get real dimviii! On the first 97km of the swedish rally, Sordo was losing 25s to Hirvonen and Latvala, and 20s to Loeb. With a car that is as good as a average Fiesta WRC (as someone said) it was really good.
But if you remember the 2010 swedish rally, Sordo was in charge beating Loeb in somes stages on the first day. Sudenly on the 2nd day Sordo said that has no confidence on the car... strange. The low temps during the night must have changed the set-up of the C4 n. 2...
Your words, not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Sebastien Loeb : Creating inferiority syndrome since 2004....
LOLz....
YOU talked about gravel.Now you are talking about Sweden.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
And this is an improovement? After 6 stages he was 6th well behind all factory crews and 5 sec in front of Novikov.25 secs at 6 stages= 2 minutes at whole rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
He was faster from Loeb at 2 stages,and Loeb was faster at all the other stages.End of day 1 Loeb was faster.They sabotage his car while Mikko was 1st?lolololololol and Jari 4th?(2nd Loeb,3rd Dani)lololololololQuote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Problems with their set ups had Mikko,Jarri,Ogier at most of rallies last years.Did Ford sabotage their cars also?lololololol
read again what you wrote....Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
or somebody sabotage your account?Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
I understand what you are trying to prove. But on that rally (Catalunya 2007) Loeb was closely fighting with Gronholm for the championship and he needed to win the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Seems that Jari-Matti has the same problem on the stages and the ski slopes. I'm afraid that a stone was on his way, broke his ski and caused an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latvala
I had similar feeling once I heard his explanation. For correction however, it didn't happen at ski slopes, but while (Nordic) skiing, at ski trail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Priorat
I'm talking in everything except the tarmac where usualy people see Sordo as a fast driver. Gravel, snow, mud, stones, water, sand...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Well, if you read my entire post you'll find that i mentioned that Sordo was driving a Mini. And as you know, the first Mini evolution was not like works DS3 and Fiesta's.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But also i must remember you that 25s in 97km, means 1m30s at the end of the rally, that is diferent from 2 minuts. Is the diference between be jut behing a works Fiesta (Solberg), or just in front of a private Fiesta (Novikov).
To lose 1m30s in second level car in a kind of surface where a driver is not a specialist, is very good.
Faster only in two stages is bad, but ending the first day just 4.2sec behind Loeb is worst. Ok, i inderstand you, really. And this was the guy that is fast only in tarmac, right? Snow is different from tarmac... even if tarmac is wet :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes, you're right. But the important is that Sordo was able to challenge Loeb while Loeb was still attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crocone
But we can look at Ireland in 2007. Again challenged Loeb on the beggining, then lost confidence on the car. Is interesting how Sordo lose confidence every second legs after challenging Loeb :D
At least this don't happen at prodrive.
Yes it is a bit surprising. That's why I wrote that perhaps he improvedQuote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Let's wait for other gravel rallyes to see if he really improved and how much. Like someone said, in Portugal Loeb was out, Latvala had a lot of problems and Hirvonen was cruising.
Or perhaps he did not improve that much but the Mini did. We really don't know how good is the Mini. It is hard to compare because all the others Mini drivers are not in the same league as the 6 top guys (Loeb,Latvala,Ogier,Hirvonen,Solberg and Sordo).
I'm not trying to prove that Sordo is better than Loeb, neither equal. Loeb is Loeb and is closest to perfection. Period!Quote:
Originally Posted by jcatanho
But Sordo is not as slow as it showed at Citroen. There were a lot of issues at citroen that had negative impact oh his perfomance. That's my point.
But of course i'm curious about how much time he will lose to Solberg in Argentina.
And another interesting thing is to know how Ford will manage the rally without Latvala. Will Solberg be able to finally work as he wishes? Will Sordo have freedom to work on the car? Interesting and important issues.
The best Hirvonen's year was 2004, proven winner. :D
so next time write it,because you mention only gravel.Doesnt change the result,but to be precise.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
is a lot because with your estimation Sordo would be just 15 seconds, after 3 days, in front of the privateer Novikov.With that speed you are not near Loeb.You are closer to Novikov and far of Loeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Except that if you want to proove how fast is Sordo,you haven t got to choose the rally was more near to Loeb.I can choose more than 20 rallies with the difference already from 1 st day to be more than 1 or 2 minutes.
Even Loeb is not snow specialist,so....Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
no setup sabotage? you forgot it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Latvala and Mikko last year ''lost confidence'' at almost all rallies.When difference was big enough,suddenly their setup was ok......Can you explained it? Who sabotaged their cars?This year again for Solberg at some rallies.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAM
Thanks boys, kind words make the pain that Ford didn't call a bit less . Oddly no newspaper has come and taken photos of my scar but I can assure you that it would be right where the harness would sit so for once in life I am exactly same situation as Ford works driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by wiruwiru
Surprisingly easy to break collarbone (done it---of course) and surprisingly painful too (but I got up and found the bike somewhere in the grass and mud and kicked it and drove off---THEN noticed I was seeing double)... The 'over the front" crash like Latvala described is always clumsy and often something breaks even at slow speeds like ski or bicycle... really a shame. Had he done this just a little earlier he could have been fit enough, it isn't that serious if treated and he had it treated and he's not some fat old man, he looks reasonably fit and he is a Finn after all.
wooo feeling dingy, time for my cure-all: a cuppa hot tea.
Second delay in the announcement of Sordo. I imagine the negotiation during these last days like a poker hand between Richards (still the chief for money stuff) and Wilson.
Not a delay by my understanding. I remember Malcom saying that this week's monday was the earliest possible announcement date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
It seems that the other teams entered must accept the driver change.
Edit: There'll be also another change in the entry list, because Sordo's co-driver was in it with Salazar. The new co-driver for Salazar is Martí, as we all know ex-Sordo, ex-Sainz and many others.
if in 97km he lost 25 secs, than teorically in 340km would lose about 90 seconds. In my country, 90 seconds is the same as 1m30s. In my country and using our unit measures, 1m30s is closest of 1m14s (Solberg) than 2m41s (Novikov). Pure maths. But as i said, this is in my country, and here we are a litle but confused with the presence of the Troika from de FMI/UE :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes, that's why he never won a snow rally, right? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Without "setup sabotage" he was not as good as Loeb, but was close. With "setup sabotage" he was far from Loeb. It's simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Yes i can. They were not driving a works Citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii