Do You Know the Real Islam?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Hang on a minute, you asked if Christian terrorists bombed innocent people and I gave you a major example of where this is the case. That same group the IRA were funded once upon a time by American companies and naive people in your country who claimed to have Irish roots and gave them money thinking they were supporting a historic cause. little did they know it was a terrorist group that lynched fellow christians with a slightly different faith, and planted bombs in public areas to kill as many people as possible, simply to get a message across to the British government. You can't turn around and say what muslim extremists do is worse because the reasons are slightly different. Any group that uses religion as a reason to kill innocent people is scum of the earth and are to be treated with the same contempt as far as I am concerned.

Just because the groups I have given as an example happen to be of the same religion as you (or Christian at least) does not mean you can treat them in a more lenient fashion Bob. It seems you are trying to single out muslims because they contain members that hate your religion. I myself am not religious so can see this unnecessary violence for what it is without favourism.

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Let's remain in context here (if you ever read thouroughly 'christian" forums, quoting the Bible out of context to support one's dogma runs rampant) my answer was to this statement: "Originally Posted by Dave B


Of course nobody has ever used the Bible to justify their violence, wars, child abuse, murder, homophobia or genocide. Oh....

Any answers have to remain within that context.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

I don't see any desperation about referring to the Crusades - deluded Christians forcing their religion down peoples' throats and slitting them if they refused to listen.

Aside from henners' eloquent post about the IRA, how many needless deaths are caused by the Pope telling pooly educated Africans that they mustn't use condoms, contributing to the massive spread of HIV? Or how many deaths can be traced back to Bush and Blair claiming they were doing God's work by poking their unwanted beaks into Iraq? Add to this the untold misery caused by people choosing to interpret the bible to justify their bigotry, homophobia, sexism (how many women priests are there?); or to tell rape victims they can't have abortions?

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Wake up Dave!!. We spent the first half of this thread discussing this.

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Originally Posted by jens

As we know, human has two brain sides for different functions. Left brain is for rational and logical thinking, right one for imagination, beliefs and feelings. Why should we mix them up? In the same way - why should we try to rationally understand faith and, well, god? I think this is the absurd, which people reach during those discussions. I think religious people think and define it in the same way - religion shall not be about rational thinking, it is about soul and heart and that's how it should be. Also imagination, fantasizing and stories are part of it. It is not important whether all the stories in the Bible are proven scientifically correct, but it is important that those stories create a good feeling in us and we can learn something from them.

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The problems start when people actually take the Bible/Koran etc literally. And don't say that this is an out of date idea, because some people actually do believe in a creator and a young Earth. Some of these people have powerful political roles. This is very dangerous.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Then the answer to Dave's question is 'yes'.

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Hmmmm- just who used the Bible, not saying it did not happen, but just who used the Bible to justify killing people the way Muslims are using the Koran?

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Originally Posted by henners88

Are you familiar with the troubles in Northern Ireland Bob?

I think its time to realise that not all terrorists are Islamic.

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No, all terrorists are fanatics, be it for religous reasons, political reasons, racism, --Nazism, communism, right wingers, leftist, animal lovers, christains, Jews, et all or whatever---

I tend to viewthe old Catholic religion and its history about the same as Islam in its current state.

BTW- I keep
daring all you folks to go do all this ranting about religion to some Islam types, face to face, but none of you want to wander over to even Saudi Arabia for a little muttering about religion......Smart move.

Act the liberal in your ivory tower and cite mostly ancient history to justify your point of view.

You defend Islam by saying it is just as bad as Christain religions--well that might have been true some 500 to 1600 years ago...

nevertheless, a Silly argument--sort of like well, many other people get away with murder, why can not I ..... :rolleyes:

PETN coming to a neighborhood near you - Wake up fools

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Hmmmm- just who used the Bible, not saying it did not happen, but just who used the Bible to justify killing people the way Muslims are using the Koran?

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So, what if someone claimed that God was speaking through them and used this to justify the deaths of tens of thousands of people?

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." George W. Bush, 2004, during the war in Iraq.

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

Regardless of how badly the rule of the Crusaders may have crapped on a lot of what Jesus said, to point fingers at them and ignore the fact that Muslims had killed the native peoples to take Christian lands is silly.

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Isn't it also rather "silly" to get into a contest over which religion has killed the greater number of people, or how they've killed.

It's hardly a great advertisement for any religion.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I have no idea, but then again not every Islamic terror group bases their hatred on a twisted interpretation of the Koran, do they? It runs alot deeper than that. The fact largely Christian countries have financial interests and forced attempts at trying to gain power of such countries doesn't bode too well when one needs an excuse to hate another country or religion. The less educated amongst us might pin all their ideas of why there is conflict on a "kill ze infidel" interpretation within a holy book, but thats a very simplistic explanation in the grand scheme of things. Sure terror groups preach such garbage but that is but a tiny part of the real problem. If I were to look at your question a bit more deeply, I could argue the bible has been used in the same way because it is what has sculpted a person into believing what they do. Whether there are passages within it that tell them to kill others is irrelevant because if relgion is used in any form, it is based on what that person believes.

The war in Bosnia was fought based on religion because both sides wanted dominance in that region. Both wanted the population to believe what their religion had taught them and killed each other to make that point.

Asking people to fly to a country and incite religious hatred is not only stupid but is hardly a realistic dare is it? You appear to know the least about Islam on this forum and also appear to have some very hatefull views on the subject so why do you not lead by example and give us a summary of what happened to you when you get back?

I have defended the right to believe in all religions as long as its peaceful yet you are only picking up on part of it. The fact you are choosing to ignore the actions of Christian Terror groups in the 20th and 21st century speaks volumes for your arguement and your understanding IMO.

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I don't know why you are trying to defend religion. It has killed millions and millions and now it is the Christians vs the Muslims.
But now the Muslims want to kill the people from the West. If we are not Christian then we are a infidel. I am obviously referring to radical muslims. The problem is water and oil don't mix. People keep trying to make one big melting pot of people and beliefs and it doesn't seem to be working. If one points that out then that person instantly becomes a racist, bigot etc. When will people begin to accept reality!!! Never!!!! -- that is why we will be in a constant state of war. Someone once told me "religion is not for the masses" I now tend to believe him.

The proper mean of ISLAM is that all people who are Muslim people leave crudeness and live with very silently..... The ISLAM is the biggest religion in the world ..and The massage of all muslim people to fill silently and spiritually internally with the god..


At last i say to very friendly do not progress and follow any more trublenss to take a support of ISLAM religion .... thanks a lot all

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

So, what if someone claimed that God was speaking through them and used this to justify the deaths of tens of thousands of people?

"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." George W. Bush, 2004, during the war in Iraq.

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You, Henner and some others are trying to make an analogy where none exists.

The thread is supposed to be about the -"real"Islam. The Koran does contain verses telling Mulsims to kill the infidel, yet some are trying to say the Bible is no different when it is totally different.

This thread is not about simple war which is the lowest common denominator some are trying to reduce it to; its core value is the real Holy Jihad that is the real Muslim religion and is actively engaging in .
Of course what separates Muslims is that blowing up women, children at funerals, church services and other civilian gatherings is fine for Muslims as few to near none are condemning it, while but many are making excuses to justifying it.

Religious terrorism - and all terrorism for that matter, SUCKS!

This topic could get ugly in a hurry.

I will say this.... True Islam is not a peaceful religion. Anyone who tells you this falls under 2 categories...1. They dont really know what true Islam is. 2. They do know but lie to you about it and try to hide the fact that its a violent religion.

DanicaFan and Bob Riebe, are you theologians? What do you understand about "true Islam" or the Muslim faith? I gather you are both American. You seem to have this rather sad proclivity of lumping everyone into one category without really knowing much. Reminds me of a time when I saw John McCain being interviewed while he was in Iraq and had to be told by a Jewish member of the Senate which sect of the Muslim faith was practiced in Iran. And, he was running for President. Sheesh.
Then we have this Henner chap speaking about Northern Ireland and all he mentions is the PIRA as though only the Nationalists were bombing and murdering. I would like to remind him of the Shankhill Butcher. A member of the UFF (Loyalist and Presbyterian) who drove the streets of Belfast in a taxi cab picking up innocent Catholics and torturing them to death along with his cronies. His trade. He was a butcher. How was he caught? A man whose throat he/they had slit survived. He became an MP.
In addition I'd like to point out the 1975 bombings in Dublin and Monaghan. Along with the UDA and the SAS, yes, the SAS they were/are the prime suspects in the bombings that killed 29 innocents by placing bombs in three strategic areas of Dublin and Monaghan. So sophisticated were these devices that it was concluded only experts in the SAS were capable of putting them together. It took almost thirty years for this to come out along with the SAS gunning down of three members of the IRA who were "planning" to set of a device in Gibraltar. At trial witnesses stated that two of those killed were pleading for their lives and unarmed. The SAS members appeared in court at a hearing wearing hoods. Kinda like the KKK.
So, were these three IRA members on a religious crusade or were the SAS trying to disrupt the initiatives of Wilson the British PM?
When did Henner ever hear anything from the PIRA or the UDA, UFF, RHU ever utter anything to do with Christianity?
Stop painting a religion with same brush you do with terrorists and ignore the good and righteous people who practice in peace.
I bet half of those arguing or maybe even more than that were in support of invading Iraq to oust Hussein and free the Muslim Koran worshiping Muslims because it was George Bush a Republican that was President. Then when it came to President Obama they leveled their ignorant barbs on him claiming (oh my god) that he was a Muslim. I used to get a channel named Fox but now watch it on You Tube to see those with a brain lambaste the ignorance that is so pervasive in an uneducated and easily led populace.
So, now you bash the whole Muslim faith when it seems you do not have one idea of what you are talking or writing about.

I do know what Im talking about. I am an American and a Christian and proud to be both. I have studied Islam, taken classes, went to lectures, talked with local pastors about it. Trust me, its not peaceful. If you think it is, then you dont believe what the Koran says. It clearly states to kill and death to all non-believers. Is that peaceful ?

I dont have time rite now but I can get in depth to what I am saying and back it up with verses, studies, etc. I think you fall in the #2 category my friend.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I do know what Im talking about. I am an American and a Christian and proud to be both. I have studied Islam, taken classes, went to lectures, talked with local pastors about it. Trust me, its not peaceful. If you think it is, then you dont believe what the Koran says. It clearly states to kill and death to all non-believers. Is that peaceful ?

I dont have time rite now but I can get in depth to what I am saying and back it up with verses, studies, etc. I think you fall in the #2 category my friend.

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My apologies, but the fact that you think 'rite now' is a phrase and forget the apostrophe in 'I'm' indicates to me that you may not, perhaps, be the best person to undertake such a study as you claim to have done.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I do know what Im talking about. I am an American and a Christian and proud to be both. I have studied Islam, taken classes, went to lectures, talked with local pastors about it. Trust me, its not peaceful. If you think it is, then you dont believe what the Koran says. It clearly states to kill and death to all non-believers. Is that peaceful ?

I dont have time rite now but I can get in depth to what I am saying and back it up with verses, studies, etc. I think you fall in the #2 category my friend.

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Talked with local pastors about it? Pastors? Christian pastors by any chance?

Be fair now Ben. He has also talked with local pastors about it... that must count for something too!

p.s. you missed the missing apostrophe in 'dont' :p

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Originally Posted by GridGirl

Talked with local pastors about it? Pastors? Christian pastors by any chance?

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either they were
1) christian pastors
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2) they were muslim 'pastors' and he doesn't know the slightest bit about Islam :laugh:

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

Stop painting a religion with same brush you do with terrorists and ignore the good and righteous people who practice in peace.

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So are you suggesting that instead, we ignore all the horrible parts of religion and cherry-pick the good bits and get excited, shouting 'Look! That's religion!'?

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

either they were
1) christian pastors
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2) the were muslim 'pastors' and he doesn't know the slightest bit about it :laugh:

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I'm glad you said that pointed out that Donkey. I was trying my hardest to not laugh and be nice to DanicaFan. :p

I was going to be nice to him too until I saw his avatar and was overcome with jealosy :laugh: :erm: :uhoh: :arrows:

First off, I am a Christian, a born again believer in Jesus Christ whom is the only way to Heaven. I am a baptist if anyone was curious. What I will discuss will be in love and that my desire and as with most Christians is that the truth comes out about false religions and beliefs. Also what I will say will not be politically correct, at times sound insensitive, and not what you typically hear but should. But again, my point is Im not here to hate or offend anyone, I just want to give you the truth.

Before I get into Islam, the thing with Christianity that seperates it from all other religions is that it is the only religion that has a true, living Savior, and that is Jesus Christ. Also its where God wants to have a personal relationship with his people. He doesnt want you to be a slave to him. With Christianity, salvation is a free gift given to all of us by God through Jesus Christ. Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation. Truth is, we could never earn our way to Heaven, we dont deserve it but God's Grace gives us a chance. We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

The first thing I will discuss is the Koran, which is the Islam's equivalent to Christianity's Bible.

First off, the Koran is full of errors and not in any type of chronological order. It is very hard to read and understand, even for Muslims. Many verses in the Koran, including many of the peace and gentle verses have been abrogated or nullified if you will. In other words, they throw out a verse if they no longer want it or if it conflicts with another verse. Now how can anyone with any form of intelligence follow and trust a book like that ?

The Bible itself does not change, in fact in Revelation 22:19 -And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation.

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So why not work towards it? Instead of taking the lazy mode. :) Why shall I need a 'Saviour"? And how am I a slave to God in other religions?

I am personally not a religious person, but have to say that my biggest respect goes to several Asian religions - Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. To form that opinion, I only need to look at real life evidence, how it has influenced the lives of human beings practically. When I see people smiling sincerely all the time, enjoying life with deep feelings and emotions, being tolerant and respectful to others... Then I know that religion has had a positive effect on the culture and is working really well in the society. Perhaps something similar can be said about Islam. I have personally not been to an Arabic country, but read/heard from people, who have been, that guests are treated with huge respect and helpfulness, like kings.

The catholic church survived through the ages using terror, fun things such as setting people on fire while tied to a stake and so forth. Only because they deviated slightly on views about the faith.

Then along came the printing press, and people started reading the new testament--odd stuff about turn the other cheek, love your enemies........nothing in there about burning people for a slightly different view on God :eek:

But the difference is that unlike Jeus, the pedo prophet was busy "marrying" young girls who were 9 or ten years old, chopping off heads of infidels (men, women and children) or other people he just did not like----all of which is held up as an example of holy acts to be followed by true beleivers, as laid out in the Koran. :rolleyes:

Oh, but there you will want to go....gee there are those pastors, yada, ....so what? two wrongs do not make a right. :(

True Islam is a dangerous religion to the dignity of women and does NOT seperate religion from the political system, very dangerous to the very freedoms that brits, americans, canadians, et all, hold so precious.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

I was going to be nice to him too until I saw his avatar and was overcome with jealosy :erm: :uhoh: :arrows:

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Let me ease your pain... :D ....she is not your type. Cause she is older than 11 years of age..........


opps, I almost forgot, maybe it is because you are jealous of her, instead of him, for stealing him away. In that case, I can't help you dude, except to suggest erotic asphyxiation as an alternate :bounce:

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Originally Posted by henners88

Some of the recent comments on this page are quite disturbing IMO. Radical Muslims or fundamentalist Christians? Perhaps we could have a poll on which is scarier? :eek:

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Is there any actual difference? That is, setting aside the names of the various parties involved- and the problem that most of the fundamentalist christians are hypocrites....something which can not be said for radical Muslims who are simply practicing what is preached in the Koran.

Anyway, I would have to vote for DonKey jote and his momma...they are both scarier....

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Originally Posted by henners88

I have no idea, but then again not every Islamic terror group bases their hatred on a twisted interpretation of the Koran, do they? It runs alot deeper than that. The fact largely Christian countries have financial interests and forced attempts at trying to gain power of such countries doesn't bode too well when one needs an excuse to hate another country or religion. The less educated amongst us might pin all their ideas of why there is conflict on a "kill ze infidel" interpretation within a holy book, but thats a very simplistic explanation in the grand scheme of things. Sure terror groups preach such garbage but that is but a tiny part of the real problem. If I were to look at your question a bit more deeply, I could argue the bible has been used in the same way because it is what has sculpted a person into believing what they do. Whether there are passages within it that tell them to kill others is irrelevant because if relgion is used in any form, it is based on what that person believes.

The war in Bosnia was fought based on religion because both sides wanted dominance in that region. Both wanted the population to believe what their religion had taught them and killed each other to make that point.

Asking people to fly to a country and incite religious hatred is not only stupid but is hardly a realistic dare is it? You appear to know the least about Islam on this forum and also appear to have some very hatefull views on the subject so why do you not lead by example and give us a summary of what happened to you when you get back?

I have defended the right to believe in all religions as long as its peaceful yet you are only picking up on part of it. The fact you are choosing to ignore the actions of Christian Terror groups in the 20th and 21st century speaks volumes for your arguement and your understanding IMO.

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1) it ain't a twisted interpretation of the Koran.

2) Of course, you miss the point. It is not necesssary to go there. Just look at what happenned to the cartoonist or what has been going on in France. You are the one running off at the mouth who is clueless about the koran and the religion-and refuses to recognize what would happen if you said the same things in a Islamic country. And that is the point: You can say those things BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY!! You are not inciting religous haterd, but simply stating beleifs that are not much different than mine in many respects, something you can do where you live, but NOT IN ISLAM. For that very reason, that is sufficient grounds to condemn Islam. Of course, I could add about how women are treated and all the rest......

I have known a number of moslems, from my college days and on. All of them were not the terrorist type and i think they would be embarrased about the radicals. Unfortunately, in the view of their religion with the preachings of the pedo-prophet on women, et al,--they are hypocrites as expressly defined by their own Koran.

3) I do not regard the "christian terror groups" as Christian, but hypocrites of the worst sort. Unfrotunately, the same can not be said about radical moslems

Sort like there were those "good Germans" who were nazis but because they were not actively killing jews and so forth, would qualify as hypocrites........

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

The first thing I will discuss is the Koran, which is the Islam's equivalent to Christianity's Bible.

First off, the Koran is full of errors and not in any type of chronological order. It is very hard to read and understand, even for Muslims. Many verses in the Koran, including many of the peace and gentle verses have been abrogated or nullified if you will. In other words, they throw out a verse if they no longer want it or if it conflicts with another verse. Now how can anyone with any form of intelligence follow and trust a book like that ?

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I thought some of this seemed a bit eloquent, so did a quick search for your words and found your opinions, and some of the phraseology, to have been lifted in large part from this website:

TheReligionofPeace - Games Muslims Play

For instance: 'But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first.' I somehow doubt that words such as 'abrogate' feature that heavily in your everyday language. And you have the gall to accuse all Muslims of lacking intelligence for following the Koran!

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

First off, I am a Christian, a born again believer in Jesus Christ whom is the only way to Heaven. . . . . Im not here to hate or offend anyone, I just want to give you the truth.

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This attitude always bothers me. I am an infidel then. :dozey:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

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This I can agree on. I accept Jesus as a very evolved human being that "walked what he talked" and was a great example of what a loving, caring, understanding human being can be. It's a pity that the religion formed around his philosophy messed it up really.

:s mokin:

Until (some) Christians stop doing things like torturing and killing children because they are 'witches' they can stop attacking Islam

Yeah and there are too many sore ass Alter Boys !!

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

I do know what Im talking about. I am an American and a Christian and proud to be both. I have studied Islam, taken classes, went to lectures, talked with local pastors about it. Trust me, its not peaceful. If you think it is, then you dont believe what the Koran says. It clearly states to kill and death to all non-believers. Is that peaceful ?

I dont have time rite now but I can get in depth to what I am saying and back it up with verses, studies, etc. I think you fall in the #2 category my friend.

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Interesting, I've also talked to a pastor about the Muslim faith, but at the time was in a Muslim majority country. He explained that the local population was very open minded and they had no issues being Christian openly. He also said that over time he often spoke with Muslims about their religious views and saw it at a very tolerant religion.

Taken out of context, the Qu'ran could be said that death should come to all non belivers. Taken in context you as a "christian" openly state that anyone that does not accept Jesus will go to hell. I can easily determine that no Muslim has killed you, how do you easily determine that it is your place to pass judgement on others?

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

So are you suggesting that instead, we ignore all the horrible parts of religion and cherry-pick the good bits and get excited, shouting 'Look! That's religion!'?

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Quite the opposite. The bad , lurid, aspects of religion are self evident. Stop calling the issues of NI a religious war which it is not. It was and may still be a socio/economic/political war started by the Brits with the Plantation of Scottish Presbyterians on Catholic land in Northern Ireland. Then setting about the to curb the ability of the Catholic Irish from voting unless they owned a home. An almost impossible task. Religion was used as the catalyst to start the troubles as it was the most obvious starting point.

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

Quite the opposite. The bad , lurid, aspects of religion are self evident. Stop calling the issues of NI a religious war which it is not. It was and may still be a socio/economic/political war started by the Brits with the Plantation of Scottish Presbyterians on Catholic land in Northern Ireland. Then setting about the to curb the ability of the Catholic Irish from voting unless they owned a home. An almost impossible task. Religion was used as the catalyst to start the troubles as it was the most obvious starting point.

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The issues in NI would be much simpler to solve if there wasn't a religious divide. The same could be said about Israel/Palestine.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Before I get into Islam, the thing with Christianity that seperates it from all other religions is that it is the only religion that has a true, living Savior, and that is Jesus Christ. Also its where God wants to have a personal relationship with his people.

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It is quite self-centered to think that 'God' wants to have a personal relationship with us insignificant humans.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

He doesnt want you to be a slave to him.

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So why do Christians kneel down when they pray?

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

With Christianity, salvation is a free gift given to all of us by God through Jesus Christ. Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation. Truth is, we could never earn our way to Heaven, we dont deserve it but God's Grace gives us a chance. We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

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So why would 'God' make Earth as good as he could, but not quite as good as he made heaven?

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Interesting, I've also talked to a pastor about the Muslim faith, but at the time was in a Muslim majority country. He explained that the local population was very open minded and they had no issues being Christian openly. He also said that over time he often spoke with Muslims about their religious views and saw it at a very tolerant religion.

Taken out of context, the Qu'ran could be said that death should come to all non belivers. Taken in context you as a "christian" openly state that anyone that does not accept Jesus will go to hell. I can easily determine that no Muslim has killed you, how do you easily determine that it is your place to pass judgement on others?

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"Judge not lest ye be judged in heaven"
How many fundies actually spout the above quote?
Can a religious person please explain to me how their religion is true and all of the others false using arguments other than 'its a matter of faith' or 'I was raised in it and never doubted it' or 'I know it is the correct path'

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

It is quite self-centered to think that 'God' wants to have a personal relationship with us insignificant humans.



So why do Christians kneel down when they pray?



So why would 'God' make Earth as good as he could, but not quite as good as he made heaven?

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"The lord is my shepherd" - Christians are sheep.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Taken out of context, the Qu'ran could be said that death should come to all non belivers. Taken in context you as a "christian" openly state that anyone that does not accept Jesus will go to hell. I can easily determine that no Muslim has killed you, how do you easily determine that it is your place to pass judgement on others?

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I liked this saying. I came across aboutjihad site it's pretty good in explaining this misquoted ayahs to non muslims who may be deceived by anti-islamists claims.

N.B The christian-current def.- is who believes in God father, mother, trinity NOT Christ follower.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

First off, I am a Christian, a born again believer in Jesus Christ whom is the only way to Heaven. I am a baptist if anyone was curious. What I will discuss will be in love and that my desire and as with most Christians is that the truth comes out about false religions and beliefs. Also what I will say will not be politically correct, at times sound insensitive, and not what you typically hear but should. But again, my point is Im not here to hate or offend anyone, I just want to give you the truth.

Before I get into Islam, the thing with Christianity that seperates it from all other religions is that it is the only religion that has a true, living Savior, and that is Jesus Christ. Also its where God wants to have a personal relationship with his people. He doesnt want you to be a slave to him. With Christianity, salvation is a free gift given to all of us by God through Jesus Christ. Other religions make you try and work and earn your way to salvation. Truth is, we could never earn our way to Heaven, we dont deserve it but God's Grace gives us a chance. We all have been given a free will so we can choose to accept Jesus or reject him.

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I have been reading about a group of "born agains" that go by the name of Westboro (sic) church. They go to the funerals of returning American service men from Afghanistan and Iraq when it was in full force protesting not the war but sexuality. Why Danica fan? They also go to the funerals of known gays with signs saying "God hates fags". Why would God hate something he created?
This born again that is not just an anomaly of the US is an excuse to hide behind religion like an alcoholic does with life through a bottle.
DanicaFan, do you believe in evolution? Was T-Rex walking the earth 4,000 years ago. Did Noah put all living creatures in his over-sized boat?
Why did my lovely brother who harmed not a soul in his life have to die prematurely from a hideous disease leaving behind a family? What was the plan that God had in taking him away and have him suffer so greatly and his children and siblings to this day still in pain?
Do you actually believe water was turned into wine or that five loaves and fish fed a mass( no pun intended) of people? Is the word :faith" and the use of "free will" a cop out so you can excuse all the unanswered and in my humble opinion idiotic fables you "born agains" seem to gravitate to.