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If races depend on only the true race fan there would be fewer races. Marketing has more to do with attracting the non race fan to a race weekend and making that event the place to be at. Much like the Superbowl, it is more about the event than the actual game.
Porhaps, but In my case I hate ovals and Milwaukee mile is last place I want to be for just event , but I come every year for last 19 with group of people and spend money for two days because Im a fan. There is many like me who stayed home because of past wars, therefore building stature of Indy racing to high level where once was would help bring old fans and interest for new.
Who were they targeting with their promotion and where? They could have opened the gates for anyone that would have showed up locally. IT they had promoted at that level for New Hampshire or Milwaukee, I suspect the turn out would have been different. I still have 4 free tix complements ICS for buying my Baltimore GP tix, but i still would have had to get to vegas, which really has little appeal to me. Give me those same free tickets to Milwaukee or Loudon and I would have gone to either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Thats all well and good ... But my statement stands...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
The earlier claimed the problem was lack of promotion for ovals ... Vegas is/was easily and far and away the most promoted race of the season ... Very few showed up
Was that because it was an oval, or because it was Vegas? I am not saying I know the answer to that question, I just saying that I don't know that anyone else does either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Gary
The race was heavily promoted ... No one showed
It WAS an oval
And the reason no one showed was?Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
Gary
Infer what want Gary ...
Bottom line is the earlier poster made a claim ... Clearly the heavily promoted oval in Vegas flys in face of his claim
The only thing I am inferring is I am not sure anyone can infer that the sole issue was it was an oval.
Gary
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I mean, take Kentucky for an example. I don't think it had any promotion, as the race was called: Kentucky Indy 300. The attendance was terrible in 2011, and if I compare the attendance of 2011 to that from 2010, then I would almost say the 2010 event was very successful. Not to talk about the 2009 event there, it was even better then because it was promoted by Meijer. I also read multiple times about the Chicagoland race, that if some people wouldn't have been IndyCar fans (and then I'm talking about people who even live in Chicago) they wouldn't have known there was a race at Chicagoland Speedway. And that while it was promoted by Peak. That's what I mean with lack of promotion. I have seen video's of races at Kentucky, Kansas and Chicagoland when the attendance was simply good. I really don't understand why the hell the most of those races are financial sucking. Look at Iowa, it was except Indy, the best oval race in terms of attendance. The race itself was great as well, which means it might be a very successful event this year as well.
Somebody has to say it.
What has made NASCAR popular was the crashes that you could see from anywhere in the grandstands accept Indy.
IndyCar on the other hand, has fewer crashes especially on ovals. It's unfortunate that when IndyCar does crash on an oval there are injuries unlike NASCAR.
No, no one has to say it. Such discussion is totally inappropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike15
Gary
Please say this is a joke...Quote:
Originally Posted by mike15
It's been a given for many followers of NASCAR. NASCAR has actually gone back and forth with enforcing or assessing on track penalties for intentional contact for years. They rarely park anyone. Post race chats, undisclosed fines and slaps to the willy are the way in NASCAR. France actually encouraged drivers to settle it on the track last year until it was obviously getting out of control. Cheers are heard as often as gasps in the stands and I've personally heard people complain there weren't enough crashes leaving Dover more than once. NASCAR is modern day chariot racing, especially on the short tracks like Bristol, Martinsville and Richmond.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
well I am one who is excited about this years schedule. I have my usual orders in for Indy and MidOhio and this year I am adding Detroit to the mix. Now I just too have to do a little digging and find out which is the best casino and other adult establishments in the detroit area.
Iowa and Alabama should trade places on the schedule!!
Huh?? Are we going with studded tires and a little banked ice racing? What's the average temperature for April 1st in Newton Iowa? Alabama is ungodly hot and humid in late June. I would like to see the ovals and street courses broken up and alternating a little more but I'm sure it's easier on the teams to have them grouped together to keep cars in similar confugurations when travelling race to race without breaks in betwen race weekends.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
It sucks I'll be in Orlando from March 28th to the 4th. I can't get down there for St Pete, and I'm tied up and can't make it to Barber the following weekend. If it's back to back next year, I'm going to try to do both races in a westie road trip. Leave the thursday before St Pete, make it back home the following monday with a week of Florida beach time inbetween..
nascar comparison? Oh please! Not enough crashes? Demolition derby would be better then for some, I love racing and skill of passing without bumping people in the wall, but that is just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5
agree fiat, that pass miera made at indy in 08 on the front straight between dixon and carpentier is the best move I have seen in the 48 years I have watched racing.
There happen crashes on ovals very often, and 9 of the 10 times there are no injuries. I'm sure that at Vegas Dan Wheldon was just unlucky. I mean we saw the same happen to Conway at Indy, and Conway was lucky. As I always say; I love every type of IndyCar racing, but the racing on a 1,5 mile oval is just the best in my opinion. I just watched the 2010 Chicagoland race (the highlights), and it's simply amazing. Also the Vegas race, until the horrific crash was a great race. I'm happy Texas is on the schedule, and I think Chicagoland has a chance of returning, as Bernard had talks about a return in 2011. He didn't succeed, so for now a return is not likely, but with some good promotion this can become a very successful race.
That some people say that IndyCar shouldn't race on ovals is hypocritical bull****, because if it was really THAT unsafe, we would've had at least one fatal accident every year. If you want no more injuries or no more fatalities in racing, then you have to ban motorsport, because in a bad situation a multiple car pile up can also happen on a road/street course, which can be especially on a street course have a fatal accident as a result.
NASCAR can be funny to watch, but the reason for it's popularity is because it's a show. Why it's a show? Due the much accidents and the drivers' mentality. I think we will never see in IndyCar happening that a driver will knock someone out of the race as a revenge action. This is not racing, this is called amusement.. For the fans racing IS amusument, but NASCAR has a completely different form of amusement.That's why NASCAR is popular. Sometimes it's just frustrating people (and then I'm talking about people on another forum) don't wanna see 1,5 mile ovals anymore just because of one heavy accident. It is painful we lost Dan Wheldon, but that's not a reason to ban those ovals from the sport. If it really was that unsafe we would've had fatal accidents on them every year. Maybe Vegas wasn't suitable, but Kentucky, Texas, Chicagoland, Homestead-Miami, Twin Ring Motegi, Kansas, Nashville and maybe some others ARE suitable for IndyCar racing.
Sadly they're not a financial success hehe.
I have to agree for 100% that Meira's pass at the 2008 Indy 500 was the best move ever, and three-wide racing, side by side racing and passes like this are the reason I love IndyCar oval racing. Why do you think Danica made the move to NASCAR? She's more concerned about the race attendance then about her performance... She fears road/street races are boring, well, they aren't and it's not even her case to even care about it. Another reason she moved to NASCAR is because she can't control an IndyCar with a good setup on a fast oval. She never had the idea of making a move, she always played it safe. Just because she fears the high speeds. NASCAR is slower, and she can handle it better, but I doubt if she will try to overtake more. I still think she will play it safe there.
What do you guys think about the Detroit Belle Isle race anyway? I read somewhere that it might be a very successful event as already 80% of the business suites has been sold.
Please don't misinterpret my comment as agreeing with that viewpoint, however it is the truth about many fans in a NASCAR crowd. Worst case scenario for a nascar fan is a caution free 500 mile race. They'd have a meltdown and demand NASCAR "fix the racing."Quote:
Originally Posted by DavePI2
as i have mentioned once before I am very much looking forward to detroit. I love road racing and I haven't been to a street race since the days of the columbus 500. I purchased seats in grandstand 3 that would apppear to have a great view of the cars comming straight at me on the front straight as well as seeing the pits. Should be a great event. Now how to get away with taking a couple extra for the casinos.
It's no joke. Look how disappointed the NASCAR fans are when they resurface a track and there are fewer crashes. Dave Dispain covered those issues well on his program and he could not believe that what everyone was saying about NASCAR fans and crashes was apparently true based on the tone of conversations.
So deny it all you want but there are many fans of NASCAR that love to sit back in their seat at an oval, with their favorite beer, just waiting for the next crash. As was said above a Daytona 500 with out a crash would be most disappointing for many fans.
On the other hand, when Indycars raced at the 500 at MIS with the Hanaford device, people were on their feet lap after lap with the passes for the lead along with action in the pack of cars behind. There are cultural difference between an IndCar fan, a NASCAR fan and fans of road racing and how they view racing. We have not discussed road racing fans but many crave the low cost of camping on the grounds associated with a race weekend.
Watching video from Phoenix, track looks much better then before and they should start season there like in old days. Racing at Phoenix was very good and I will never forget Hiro and Jacques accident.Amazing .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gjs_hDkjen8Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Looks smooth, unfortunately, it doesn't "look" and I doubt it drives like Phoenix anymore. Looks like just every other Nascar track now, but I'dlike to see them back there.
Just as everywhere else they have tried to start the season, NASCAR has very strategically locked up the early-season, warm weather oval tracks and markets. NASCAR is in phoenix March 4th and Nov 11th, Las Vegas March 11th and Fontana March 20th and so unless they somehow worked a double with the evil empire, I doubt you'll see them back at Phoenix or anywhere in the southwest other than Long Beach at time in the spring when the temps are bearable.
Well, I liked the old Phoenix.... But if the new Phoenix will bring us races like we have at Iowa Speedway, I'm glad they gave it a huge update... Would love it if they would return to PIR in 2013.
Yeah, forgat obout nascar.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelred5