how safley can Ogier break team orders? I think at this point it would be worth the risk.
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how safley can Ogier break team orders? I think at this point it would be worth the risk.
As was said previously... Citroen has far better tools to jeopardise Ogier if they want, so i see no reason for ogier to take risks.
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Photoshop ! ..nice try.
its not a photoshop,plenty of pictures with Ogier and Loriaux in France.Some of them already posted here from various photographers.Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
Its no photoshop....but doesn't mean anything also.....
..try irony. It's hardly unprecedented.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It's just another image from the propiganda dogs....Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
no need to be for propaganda reasons.... basically because its Ogiers/Citorens choice and none else, the media cannot form opinions of the people involved when it comes to decisions like this, they will form some opinions to the sheep fans but thats about it.
The media thrive from such rumours (especially in rallying where there is not much news the last few years with the citroen/Loeb domination) and for them this story is a fresh corpse and all the media vultures gather to feast on it.....its normal.
I really would like to see the reactions if this story proves to be a fluke.
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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
I understand those comments, I have read them. The point I wanted to make is that Ogier has now won more rallies this season than Loeb. I am unsure whether he would want to ruin that effort by effectively racing for second place for the next to rallies and allowing Loeb to win. What is there to jeopardize? If he is going to Ford anyway what does it matter if he leave Citroen with a bloody nose? As a professional sportsman I would expect Ogier to do all that he can to win this championship on his own back. He has ignored team orders before and got away with it, why not now???Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Why not now? Because he doesn't have the element of surprise. if he manages to spring a last minute win over SL in Spain how good do you think his car for GB will be? (A quick swap with Petter's car, a couple of paint jobs and Bob's yer uncle!). His only hope is for Loeb to have another error induced mechanical failure on day 1 and to then get 15+ points from the rally. Actually he needs a max in those circumstances as he usually rolls it on WRGB anyway! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Can't see anything but an 8th title for Old Seb
If citroen relises that Ogier is a threat to Loeb....then at the service they will chance the ecu program of his car so it doen't have so much power...so Ogier even if he wants to do such an unprofessional thing he would not be able to...although professional sportsmen do EXACTLY what their employers say....Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
where exactly did he ingore team orders ??? Australia ???
LOL
Team orders are being applied long before the last stage of the rally so he will not be able to surprise anyone....Citroen will tell him on day 2-3 to to stay clear of Loeb...if he doesn't citroen will make sure the car does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Unless Mikko can push the Citroen team orders to wait for last stages of GB, there is no real chance for Ogier to break them. But for that situation to even occur is quite unlikely, and one rally in between, so not much point to discuss.
Though I think it's a very valid speculation to question if Quesnel is really done and over with his agenda... Is he playing a two-face for both the media and the PSA management? It's still Quesnel-Ogier vs PSA-Loeb as far as I'm concerned. And due to what happened in France, which btw still smells, the whole thing is wide open.
You can't dictate Loeb to walk away with this one.. I think he will rise to the challenge, but he can't afford a moment of bad luck, and he hasn't had this type of pressure ever before; Both from the outside and inside of his team, even with 2 drivers at the very end of the season. If he can't close in next behind Ogier in Spain, so they can swap positions, then Ogier has a very real chance to snatch this title.
No, no you wouldn't. That is what excuse people use to justify why Loeb gets better results than their favourite driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by wildsir
In reality, the Ford driver who was closest to Loeb in terms of talent in the last five years was Marcus Gronholm, and even he could not pull off the consistency rally after rally that Loeb did.
Despite openly backing Ogier, Quesnel has stated that Ogier’s team-mate Sebastien Loeb will continue to have Citroen’s full support in his bid for an eighth world title.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
“He’s the [world championship] leader and that means the focus is Sebastien Loeb,” said Quesnel.
Funny and sporty Quesnel....lol :D
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Another statistic than wins - and not to take anything away from Ogier, just a reminder. And where does this leave Hirvonen? Exactly where he is supposed to be, fourth:Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
STAGE WINS
Loeb, Sebastien (FR) 55
Latvala, Jari-Matti (FI) 51
Ogier, Sebastien (FR) 50
Hirvonen, Mikko (FI) 32
Solberg, Petter (NO) 26
Sordo, Dani(SP) 4
Andersson, Per-Gunnar (SE) 4
Ostberg, Mads (NO) 4
Ketomaa, Jari (FI) 1
(Statistics from Jonkka and wrc.com)
Of course he is, otherwise he won't have a job efter Rally Spain.Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
My guess it that Citroën will approach Rally Spain this way...
Priority 1: Seal the Manufacturers championship
Priority 2: Make sure that Ogier finish in top 3 - and doesn't take the fight to Loeb and Sordo (Manu points are more important that drivers points in this rally as Citroën doesn't want to fight for both championships in GB). This message will be made very clear to Ogier and if he doesn't obey he won't driver rally GB in a DS3.
Priority 3: Upgrade PSWRT to full factory support like they did in 2009 (from private Xsara to PH-Sport C4). PSolberg will be treated like Loeb and Sordo hoping he can take points from Hirvonen.
Priority 4: Make sure that Ogier finish in front of Hirvonen in case Loeb doesn't score more points than Hirvonen, so that Ogier can act as backup challenge for the championship.
Priority 5: If nessesary ask Ogier to get in position between Latvala and Hirvonen to see how Ford will react - but only if Loeb is safely in front. The optimal would be if Latvala is let lose and Ford fall into that trap.
Priority 6: Make sure that Ogier and PSolberg take Powerstage points from Hirvonen - and hoping Sordo will do the same.
If all goes to plan (which is rarely does) Hirvonen will get somewhere between 4th and 6th position which will give Loeb a good points-margin and Citroën will seal the Manu Championship.
Ogier will only win the championship if Loeb makes another mistake or the car fails on him again, which is unlikely since it seems Loeb drives even better under pressure.
When you put it that way it looks like Latvala has had a difficult time (i.e. handing Australia, France results to Mikko). I guess that in rally like in any other profession what people should get and will get have to be separated to get what's best for the team. These decisions probably don't always seem fair to the outsider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
+1 :up: It may have been a season that JML will rather forget, but he has acted incredibly proffessionally, and thats a good thing to have on his CV for the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
Loeb on his tough season with Ogier: "He damaged my image."
Loeb: «Ogier a nui à mon image» - Rallye - WRC - L'EQUIPE.FR
I understand that Ogier has made up his mind, he has signed with VW Motorsport. It's from a good source so likely some truth in it.
So he will not compete for the WRDC in 2012 then? Maybe he is thinking VW will be competitive for the championship in 2013. He might look positive at the future, but still no one knows how competitive VW will be....Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
my sources say he signed with hyundai as test driver for the new accent so ask him again...Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
I understand that there is alot of B.S rumours at the moment and we should just wait and see ;)
Citroën rallyes: ciao Quesnel et Ogier, hello Serieys et Hirvonen... | La Provence
Pretty much saying that Ogier will go to Ford for a year and that VW offered him 16 million Euros per year for 2 years , wich is approximatly the same amount they offered to Loeb and is twice as much as they earn with Citroën.
They are waiting for Ford to fund M-Sport for Ogier (salary or team budget, they don't say).
Quesnel will be replaced by Serieys (ex Dakkar Mitsubishi).
We shall see.
wrong translate.Quote:
Originally Posted by zephyr
Pas d'offre de VW à 16 millions d'Euros pour Ogier dans cette article.
Ogier will be more expensive pour VW if he beat Loeb next year. That's all.