This is such a shame that extra money gets a bigger say than the fans that watch, fund and love the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
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This is such a shame that extra money gets a bigger say than the fans that watch, fund and love the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Do the Olympics cost 60 million quid a year merely for the broadcast rights with the promise that the next contract will be even more expensive?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Like it or not the Olympics have a broader appeal and I'd argue that the London Olympics will be as much a social happening as a sporting one. The official tv viewing figures suggest f1 is as popular as the Olympics or the world cup. Even the most ardent f1 fanatic can see that simply is not true
There is a wider problem here, I think, relating to F1's image. Unfortunately, it still likes to present itself as being immensely cash-rich and glamourous, and the element of (let's call it what it is) vulgarity about it, combined with the widespread public detestation of Ecclestone, all makes it an easy target for the BBC's cuts even if other, greater savings could be made elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Are you talking about now or next year? I missed the start of qualy.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderbolt
will the world be any better when Ecclestone and Murdoch finall pop their clogs or will some other horrible little gimps take their place and carry on their "good" work?
What disappoints me most about this is Whitmarsh coming out in support of it.
Bernie Ecclestone confident Sky deal will boost UK audiences | Formula 1 | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
All of us already knew Bernie was a doube crossing piece of ****. That has been clear for years. I never really thought that Whitmarsh would double cross the fans in favour of it. He always seemed to be a man of more integrity than most others on the pit lane. It's such a shame really. No one should have to invest in Sky Box to watch this sport. It turns my stomach.
I already have Sky so it actually doesn't make much difference to me but this deal still absolutely disgusts me. What should really happen here is that the Sponsors should kick up fuss. If they do that then I'd imagine the teams and like would have no choice but to renege on this agreement.
This rubbish about fans being able to watch the entire race at a later date is a load of cock and bull. As a genuine fan, am I going to wait 7 hours to know what is happening in a race. No. I'm going to check online to see what happened after which watching the race simply won't be the same again. Also, as a huge fan of F1, should I be expected to pay Sky €50 (or whatever it is for Sky Sports subscription) per month to watch three races, at most, per month? If I don't have Sky already and this is why I decide to subscribe that's a hell of a lot I'm paying to simply watch and F1 race, in or around €15 per race. This is a steep price to ask any F1 fan. Imagine if Liverpool fans had to pay €15 to watch every football game. There would be uproar.
It's nonsense to think that the audience will increase as well. Anyone that has Sky has BBC on their Sky Box. This is pure fan exploitation and I'm really disappointed that the teams have allowed this to go through.
I think a lot of people are missing a point that has been proven by "Sky" with other sports, yes it will affect a lot of F1 watchers over the next year, but now "Sky" has got it's foot in it will be only a year or two before they will make the BBC an offer they can't refuse to buy them out, (proved contracts do not mean a thing to SOME people when megga bucks are involved) of course they can outbid everyone as once they achieve total coverage they can recoup the money by upping subscriptions, not for just F1 but for anyone who has Sky sports.
Itīs a shame, but in the end you have to pay, I do.
Itīs a matter of accepting.
No MIA, it's not a case of accepting, it's a case of being priced out of the market. I can not justify the expense of two hours of sport every other week, at a time when my family has to give serious consideration to 'luxuries' such as a car journey or putting the central heating on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
I don't know how much you pay for your F1 enjoyment, but over my years as a fan and competitor I have poured ĢĢĢ's into this industry, not to mention my tv licence and cable fee's (which incidentally I am having to have disconnected because it's beyond our means nowadays).
If you are in a position to pay...bully for you...but there will be plenty more like me - F1 will be poorer.
Why should I have to accept putting money into a company guilty (as it will surely be proved) of repeated criminal behaviour that was not just illegal, but entirely amoral?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
(Obviously, I know that many companies get found guilty of criminal activity at one level or another, but the Murdoch companies' behaviour goes beyond the pale.)
Sorry, I like F1, following it for many years. We pay around 35 euros a month for the pleasure + the ordinary license fee. I donīt like it!
But in the end, whatīs life whitout F1?
Personally I don't care about Murdoch at all. If I could afford the subscription I would subscribe, but I simply can't.
Playing Devil's Advocate - why should F1 be any different to other Motorsport series, which are on satellite TV??
Personally, I think that all the FiA's World Championships should all be on FTA tv.....but that is another discussion.
Still worth living, I'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
Do you genuinely not care about any of the revelations?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
A reasonable question. I don't have an answer to it, really. But equally the same could be said of any sporting event of any type.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
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Originally Posted by metro6r498
I'm sure that will be the case. The BBC deal will be for no more than two years before Sky muscle them out and take F1 for themselves.
Is that reflected in viewing figures?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
But weren't you already watching the races on the BBC? I guess you were being sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
The daily mail would be wrong........Bernie Derangement Syndrome is at it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
OK then, let's read your evidence as to the BBC having engaged in similar behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Sources for this assertion?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
The BBC is a Left Wing, Government Propaganda Machine.....Taking money from the UK Citizens by force and using it to further indoctrinate. Much worse as far as I am concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Every viable and believable source on the planet has it that it was a BBC decision. What is your source that states it was a 100% Bernie Eccelstone decision?Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Of course I do. But I don't let it affect whatever products or services which may be best for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
How does this work then when we have a (mostly) Conservative government?....................................... ..........Anthonyvop Derangement Syndrome is at it againQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Where did I say that it was? Nowhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Fair enough. Apologies if I appeared to be questioning your view unduly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Nice to see the forum's finest satirist at it again. Great stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Mark, this is not a matter for levity. You should be reporting the BBC to the police!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I have to say I do. Whilst we have a sky subscription it is only a farly basic one + HD, but I would NEVER buy a Sky Sports subscription as it's a ridiculous amount to pay unless you're a football fan and even then I think there's probably good reason not to pay......Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Other than the cost of HD, I think Sky is fairly reasonably priced considering all the content you get, especially if you pay the extra pound for the news channels so you can see Fox :D
As in do care or don't care?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I do care, hence not paying money for Sky Sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Ah, I see. Good for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I care about the phone hacking revelations but it does not stop me paying a full Sky subscription. I never have and never will buy one of NI newspapers, unless there is suddenly a world shortage of toilet paper because that's all they're good for in my honest opinion. Like Mark said, I have a Sky subscription because of the content, not because I'm a fan of Murdoch & Co. If there was another provider that had the same levels then I might consider changing but until then I'll stick with what I've got.
So with me having a Sky Sports subscription you might ask why I still don't like the idea of F1 on Sky? It's simple, we as F1 fans suffered probably the worst levels of coverage in recent times when we got stuffed up with ITV coverage. Poor presenters, a very poor commentator (James Allen) and some of the worst directors and ad breaks in the history of TV. Oh how we rejoiced when the BBC announced that it was taking over again and our faith was richly rewarded with what has been perhaps some of the best sport, let alone F1, coverage we have ever seen. I sincerly doubt that Sky will manage to achieve the same levels the BBC F1 team has. Christ the BBC even won a BAFTA for it.
I hope that Sky proves me wrong, I hope they keep the same presenters and commentary teams and that they make as good a job of it as the BBC have. I know that if I didn't already pay for Sky Sports because of football, cricket, golf etc then I wouldn't be adding it just for F1 coverage but perhaps a few people need to look at the bigger picture here too. When you pay for Sky Sports it's not going to be just for F1 is it? It will give you a darn sight more than that.
next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Parr wants social media push for F1
Parr wants social media push for F1 - Yahoo! Eurosport
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Formula 1 teams and the sport's commercial rights holder Bernie Ecclestone should work together to try and better improve grand prix racing's exposure on the Internet - and especially in social media.
That is the view of Williams chairman Adam Parr, who feels that although Ecclestone has done an amazing job in making the sport successful at events and on television, more could be done to expand its profile online.
"What I feel very strongly is that as a sport what Bernie has created at the events, the quality of the events, the places we go, the standards we operate to, everybody is blown away," explained Parr.
"If they come to F1 and have been to tennis, or squash or golf or anything else, this is a different level and the logistics of what we do is phenomenal.
"The second thing is that on the media side, the historical side of creating the global audience we have, the quality of the TV feed and the race direction, which is a very difficult task, is unbelievable; and it's world-class.
"The thing I do believe is that social media, the Internet and even pay TV, how it has grown up in the last decade, must change the landscape. Not only how you communicate with people and how you distribute content, but also economically what is possible.
I can not see any think possitive about this move.
The only way I will get sky again is if they do a SKY Motorsport channel..to include Indy car Nascar, F1 WTCC DTM and so on. But there won't be. Figures for F1 are going to plumet in the UK now.
My dad would have been 66 this year, watched F1 for years. I know he would never have paid for sky sports. I'd imagine there will be alot of people of that age who used to watch and now wont. I think I will probably pas on it to. It kills me that I can only watch Indy Car on the NET, the highlights which are about 10 minutes long. Whats the point in watching it. I hope sky give up on it when they realise they are only getting the same crap viewing figures as before.
Hope Bernie realises this is not going to work, but what does he care?
I haven't read through all the posts so I may be repeating info about costs in New Zealand. We lost free to air coverage of F1 a few years ago. In addition to the basic Sky package at $41NZ per month I pay $24NZ for Sky Sports 1, 2, 3, ESPN and Highlights . I mostly watch motorsports so I drop Sky Sports during our summer months. We get F1 practices and quali and Motogp including quali, WSBK, Nascar and Indy, GP2 and GP3.