Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

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30th May 2011, 14:12
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

No need 'Z' I am quite proud to be a Schumacher fan, indeed I feel very fortunate to have witnessed his 91GP wins :champion: , 7 WDC's :champion: and 154 podiums :up:

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.
30th May 2011, 14:15
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by aki13

By all means attack and try and pass, but if it fails he has to accept his faults, you could chuck it up the inside of anyone every lap but wouldn't last long. So he has to be patient. Around Monaco you get drivers stuck behind others for 40 laps, no point in just launching it in there and hoping the other driver gets out of the way.

I think what got to most, was the way he didn't accept any blame. Surely even if you feel Massa or Hulkenberg were at fault you wouldn't claim it was 100% his fault like Lewis did.

The attitude to the race was worse than what he did on the track. If he'd of said, "I tried the pass I thought Massa should have seen me, but maybe I was a bit too late to make the move" then many would accept it as a mistake in racing, but to rant that Massa and Maldonado just turned into him just to stop Lewis passing is not right.

Those drivers wouldn't take such stupid risks just to stop Lewis passing because they ruin there own race.

Clearly Massa did see him because he changed his racing line to block him which is what caused them to tangle anyway. Saying that a coming together was probably inevitable anyway once he made the move from the position he was in. I agree that Lewis was at fault for the Massa incident but Massa was a little as well and I believe Lewis should acknowledge this but it doesn’t appear like that is going to happen.
30th May 2011, 14:16
The Black Knight

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.

At 42 years of age he is clearly not the force he used to be. He will never be the Schumacher of old but I don't know many 42 year olds that could do what he is doing now. The way he was throwing the car around in Monaco was almighty impressive. For a 42 year old he is super.
30th May 2011, 14:26
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.

not in the slightest... as usual his detractors always make this wrong assumption... to me he retired end of 2006 and the mere fact Kimi managed to win in 2007 is ample proof Schumacher would have been 8 time WDC... but that is life but now he is just having a laugh and in the 3 years he was away from F1 I've formed new allegences, and so he is now just another racer out there, and so long as he beats Rubens that is all I ask... so far so good.

Facts are facts and I cannot help his career stats... they happened and there is nothing I can do about them.
30th May 2011, 14:27
N. Jones

Ha! Knew this was going to get talked about heavily. Was he kidding or telling the truth?

Me? I think "In humor lies the truth." Poor guy....
30th May 2011, 14:30
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I agree that Lewis was at fault for the Massa incident but Massa was a little as well and I believe Lewis should acknowledge this but it doesn’t appear like that is going to happen.

Very few incidents are all one drivers fault but 50:50 tends to result in no penalty but 70:30 will and that is what happened... in fairness Lewis's post race comments have overshadowed the comments of Massa post race which I believe to be groundless blame laying at Lewis.
30th May 2011, 14:39
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

not in the slightest... as usual his detractors always make this wrong assumption... to me he retired end of 2006 and the mere fact Kimi managed to win in 2007 is ample proof Schumacher would have been 8 time WDC... but that is life but now he is just having a laugh and in the 3 years he was away from F1 I've formed new allegences, and so he is now just another racer out there, and so long as he beats Rubens that is all I ask... so far so good.

Well, him having a laugh is costing Mercedes a truckload of money. :)
30th May 2011, 14:48
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, him having a laugh is costing Mercedes a truckload of money. :)

LOL... Not my problem... besides I am a BMW man anyway... Mercedes is one of the reasons I don't support McLaren.

As I said as far as I am concerend Schumacher has rewarded my support more than any other driver and and I have moved on since 2006 and I am now enjoying the careers of new drivers like Button and Vettel (both ex BMW) and Lewis as he is fun to watch.
30th May 2011, 15:11
F1boat

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Ah yes, now I believe you're a Schumacher fan, stats are your only friends. ;) You know, it's very good that he achieved all of that, because it must be pretty painful to watch him getting thrashed by Britney for the last 2 years. Those 91 victories will serve as a good cushion to rest his trampled arsch.

I'll answer to both your posts here, because I have a bit of trouble with quoting. First of all, about MS, it is normal for an old driver not to be as fast as his prime. If you follow WRC, you would have noticed that legendary drivers like Makinen and Sainz were not very fast at the end of their careers. I believe that similar examples are Foyt in Indy Car and Petty in NASCAR , I might add Bernd Schneider in the DTM. I don't think that a few ordinary years in the gloom of their careers diminish their achievements in their prime.
About the comparisons with Ayrton Senna, I'm not sure that being arrogant about your crime is better than being shady about it. Not that it is worse, they are equally wrong IMO. Obviously, not for you, as Ayrton drove for McLaren and Michael for Ferrari and Benetton.
About Lewis, I think that it is obvious that his overtaking moves are extremely aggressive and most drivers back off when they see him attacking, just like Alonso was very cautious of Montoya in 2005. Drivers like Montoya and Hamilton would attempt an overtake, even with the risk of crash. Most drivers do not share the "hero or zero" approach and back off, however, sometimes they try to defend themselves, like Massa in Monaco. In that case, Hamilton's aggression ruined his race. But last year, in Monza, it cost him dearly. It will be very good for Lewis if he can learn to control his temper. If he can't, however, he has to be punished by the stewards, like Vettel, who was punished for stupid moves after Oz 09 or in the Belgium GP last year. Nothing personal, but F1 are not bumper cars.
And about the hatred, everybody here probably knows that I am an emotional fan, but more towards certain attitude than against certain drivers. I can not stand pricks who think that the world owes them. However, I was able to cheer for Hammy in the past, as now I am impressed by Sebastian and happy for him.
30th May 2011, 15:51
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by Mark

Worth a thread of it's own this.

But he is black...or is he green...or yellow...or blue...
30th May 2011, 18:21
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by F1boat

About the comparisons with Ayrton Senna, I'm not sure that being arrogant about your crime is better than being shady about it. Not that it is worse, they are equally wrong IMO. Obviously, not for you, as Ayrton drove for McLaren and Michael for Ferrari and Benetton.

One admits it, one lies about it. So, is the liar better? 91 wins or a 1000 wins, he doesn't get any respect from me. If you're cynical enough to deliberately take your rival out while traveling at 300 kmph, then you're obviously an unethical man and a danger to everyone around you, and this is something that Lewis, even for all your hatred for him, hasn't done or even attempted to do yet.

Yes, he is an aggressive driver, but nowhere near as evil and deliberate as MS in intentions. So, MS fans, who accept and adore his actions should just STFU about all of this, because it just stinks of double standards.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

About Lewis, I think that it is obvious that his overtaking moves are extremely aggressive and most drivers back off when they see him attacking, just like Alonso was very cautious of Montoya in 2005. Drivers like Montoya and Hamilton would attempt an overtake, even with the risk of crash. Most drivers do not share the "hero or zero" approach and back off, however, sometimes they try to defend themselves, like Massa in Monaco. In that case, Hamilton's aggression ruined his race. But last year, in Monza, it cost him dearly. It will be very good for Lewis if he can learn to control his temper. If he can't, however, he has to be punished by the stewards, like Vettel, who was punished for stupid moves after Oz 09 or in the Belgium GP last year. Nothing personal, but F1 are not bumper cars.

And about the hatred, everybody here probably knows that I am an emotional fan, but more towards certain attitude than against certain drivers. I can not stand pricks who think that the world owes them. However, I was able to cheer for Hammy in the past, as now I am impressed by Sebastian and happy for him.

Again, how many people has Lewis punted off track to deserve these many allegations? I simply fail to comprehend. He wasn't a danger to anybody in 2007-2008 and 2009. Webber took him out in Australia and Singapore last year, no penalties for Lewis there. Monza was 100% his mistake and he paid for being too overeager with broken suspension. Again, it was on a slower corner and no danger to anybody around him. He's got penalties for cutting the track in his career, yes, but how many times was he penalized for causing a collision? More or the less the same number as his fellow drivers I'm afraid. Then why are his haters piling on him calling him a dangerous driver? I don't get it. Does this bandwagon have free beer?? :confused:
30th May 2011, 18:24
ioan

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

It doesn't matter whether he was joking, he effectively accused the stewards of racism. That's not something to be laughed at considerng how seriously racism is treated. I have a feeling that Whitmarsh had a word to the boy, hence the apology. Frusrated or not, he shouldn't have said it.

Exactly.
30th May 2011, 18:27
ioan

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

:laugh:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/...16_468x286.jpg

This was in 2008, Spain. Very much 21st century, no?

Generalizing based on a few idiots' behavior it's very much like what I was expecting from you.
30th May 2011, 18:28
ioan

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Originally Posted by IceWizard

I don't see any problem with Hamilton's comments - they were clearly intended as a joke.

They were stupid, to start with. Not enough of a problem to tell stupid things on the air?! :laugh:
30th May 2011, 18:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

The first paragraph of that post is very badly written. I find it hard to get your point.

His first paragraph is very clear, unless you started watching F1 yesterday or have a problem reading long paragraphs.
30th May 2011, 18:31
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by Z-ecutioner

.... he doesn't get any respect from me...

Oh.... no.... how.... ever.... will... he.... cope?.... I.... know.... he.... will.... cope... just.... fine.... :cool:
30th May 2011, 18:33
ioan

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Originally Posted by aki13

I think what got to most, was the way he didn't accept any blame.

Nothing new, really. The guy thinks he's the best thing that ever happened to this world, let alone F1. Luckily we have Vettel to slap him back to consciousness.
30th May 2011, 18:35
ioan

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

No need 'Z' I am quite proud to be a Schumacher fan, indeed I feel very fortunate to have witnessed his 91GP wins :champion: , 7 WDC's :champion: and 154 podiums ...

But I've heard people say that you are a McLaren fan :bigcry: , please forgive me you have my deepest sympathies… so... I... will... speak... more... slowly... for... you... in... future...

:rotflmao:
Well said!
30th May 2011, 18:38
ioan

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Well, him having a laugh is costing Mercedes a truckload of money. :)

Same goes for the other Mercedes driver.
No wait, at least MS' name brings along the sponsors I wonder what that other guy brings along, barbie dolls?!
30th May 2011, 18:42
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by ioan

Generalizing based on a few idiots' behavior it's very much like what I was expecting from you.

:confused:

It was you who said that these kind of things don't happen in the civilized world in the 21st century. I just gave you an example that it still happens, doesn't matter whether a few or many, it still happens. I have witnessed it first hand. And if these things are piled on a regular basis onto an F1 driver, who are aggressive by nature, it is bound to come out sooner or later. While I think he is wrong in saying that, I can understand where he's coming from.
30th May 2011, 18:44
ioan

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

One admits it, one lies about it. So, is the liar better? 91 wins or a 1000 wins, he doesn't get any respect from me.

The best part of it is that while he doesn't even care about what you think, you are getting so worked up that you make me laugh! Priceless! :laugh:
30th May 2011, 18:44
ioan

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

:confused:

I thought so.
30th May 2011, 18:48
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by ioan

Same goes for the other Mercedes driver.
No wait, at least MS' name brings along the sponsors I wonder what that other guy brings along, barbie dolls?!

Hmm, 3 podiums for Rosberg to MS' none. Plus an absolute thrashing in the points table. He's tearing a new A-hole in MS' Dummkopf for the last 2 years with those Barbie dolls for sure, doing it while driving a car with sponsors which MS attracted. It's like a honeymoon for Rosberg.
30th May 2011, 18:51
ioan

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Originally Posted by X-ecutioner

Hmm, 3 podiums for Rosberg to MS' none. Plus an absolute thrashing in the points table. He's tearing a new A-hole in MS' Dummkopf for the last 2 years with those Barbie dolls for sure, doing it while driving a car with sponsors which MS attracted. It's like a honeymoon for Rosberg.

Yeah as we all saw last week end and the week before and before that and before that Rosberg is the god of racing, NOT! :laugh:
30th May 2011, 18:51
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by ioan

The best part of it is that while he doesn't even care about what you think, you are getting so worked up that you make me laugh! Priceless! :laugh:

My pleasure I was able to entertain you. Quite surprised to learn that you can laugh actually. :)
30th May 2011, 18:56
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah as we all saw last week end and the week before and before that and before that Rosberg is the god of racing, NOT! :laugh:

Wow, relax. It seems you're hyperventilating with these random bursts of laughter. Probably an after effect of witnessing MS getting his arse handed to him by Barbie: Testosterone Edition on a regular basis for the last 2 years. :)
30th May 2011, 19:00
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah as we all saw last week end and the week before and before that and before that Rosberg is the god of racing, NOT! :laugh:

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Drivers' Championship

Pos. Driver Team Points
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 143
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren 85
3. Mark Webber Red Bull 79
4. Jenson Button McLaren 76
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 69
6. Nick Heidfeld Renault 29
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes Grand Prix 26
8. Felipe Massa Ferrari 24
9. Vitaly Petrov Renault 21
10. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 19
11. Michael Schumacher Mercedes Grand Prix 14

And you are right, it doesn't take much effort to destroy MS in the same car, unless the whole team is on his side. Then you become Rubens Barrichello, a frustrated lap dog until your contract runs out.
30th May 2011, 19:02
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by Z-ecutioner

...an absolute thrashing in the points table...

LOL, speaking slow for your benifit...

after... 6 races... and... a... possible... 150 points... Schumacher... is... 12 points... adrift... of... his... teammate... Oh... No... what... a... thrashing.

Jenson... is... 9 points... adrift... of... Lewis... so... I... take... it... you... agree... Jenson... is... taking... an... absolute... thrashing... also... and... the... less... said... about... Mark... Webbers... 63 points... behind... Vettel... the... better.
30th May 2011, 19:03
Bagwan

Brown , like a medium roast Yergacheffe bean .

He's no where near an espresso .
30th May 2011, 19:12
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

LOL, speaking slow for your benifit...

after... 6 races... and... a... possible... 150 points... Schumacher... is... 12 points... adrift... of... his... teammate... Oh... No... what... a... thrashing.

Jenson... is... 9 points... adrift... of... Lewis... so... I... take... it... you... agree... Jenson... is... taking... an... absolute... thrashing... also... and... the... less... said... about... Mark... Webbers... 63 points... behind... Vettel... the... better.

By thrashing, I meant the 2010 points table. 142 points to 72. Can't call this year a thrashing yet since it hasn't finished. You just had to ask. :)

Oh, and very clever switching the X with a Z in my name. :up: Don't know how that changes anything, but here, have this for your effort:

http://www.techbusy.org/wp-content/u...ser_cookie.gif
30th May 2011, 19:36
Cooper_S

So... with... a... possible... 475 points... available... Rosberg... beat... his... 41 year... old... teammate... who... had... not... driven... an... F1... car... for... 3 years... by... 70 points... yup... what... a... thrashing... indeed... Rosberg... will... be... one... of... the... F1... greats........ LOL

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Originally Posted by Z-ecutioner

Don't know how that changes anything, but here, have this for your effort:

http://www.techbusy.org/wp-content/u...ser_cookie.gif

Oh... Is... that... a... self... portrait... I'm... honoured.... Thank... You... Z...
30th May 2011, 19:49
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

So... with... a... possible... 475 points... available... Rosberg... beat... his... 41 year... old... teammate... who... had... not... driven... an... F1... car... for... 3 years... by... 70 points... yup... what... a... thrashing... indeed... Rosberg... will... be... one... of... the... F1... greats........ LOL

Who the heck said Rosberg is one of the F1 greats? LOL. MS is getting beaten by an also-ran.

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

Oh... Is... that... a... self... portrait... I'm... honoured.... Thank... You... Z...

If you're into eating self portraits, sure, go ahead, might even cure your speech impediment. However if it's the period button on your cheap keyboard, you've gotta buy a new one. ;)
30th May 2011, 20:01
steveaki13

You've all got onto a subject way off the original which is Lewis and his comments.

This needs to be on the MS should he quit thread.
30th May 2011, 20:12
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by aki13

You've all got onto a subject way off the original which is Lewis and his comments.

This needs to be on the MS should he quit thread.

I think it was only inevitable for MS to be dragged into this with his fans bashing Lewis for "dirty driving".
30th May 2011, 20:18
Cooper_S

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Originally Posted by aki13

You've all got onto a subject way off the original which is Lewis and his comments.

Oops... I came to this thread late and was only replying to comments already made by others... point taken.
30th May 2011, 20:18
Firstgear

There is good and bad to be taken from the comments Lewis made.

The Good - Lewis is able to talk freely about his concerns and frustrations without hiding behind all the corporate/sponsor robo-talk. Agree with him or not, it's refreshing that he is willing to be himself instead of hiding behind the PR curtain that most drivers are told to stay behind.

The Bad - Drivers that come out from behind the PR curtain and show some personality usually end up in NASCAR (JV, JPM, KR)
30th May 2011, 20:21
steveaki13

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

Oops... I came to this thread late and was only replying to comments already made by others... point taken.

Easily done.

I came to see what more people thought about Lewis and had to pass through a page of comments on MS. :eek:
30th May 2011, 20:54
jens

Regarding Hamilton and his emotions I think we may look at the wider background. It's never easy for a more experienced driver to see a younger driver emerging and starting to put him in shade. Latest one was, when Hamilton came and annoyed Alonso, who thought he may have a bit easier life after Schumacher's departure for a while. But now Hamilton has seen the emergence of Vettel and although he believes he can beat Seb in terms of driving talent, he probably doesn't feel easy about the prospect of Vettel reaching the status of a double WDC before him...
30th May 2011, 21:13
Cooper_S

But Lewis and Vettel are peers are they not?

Apart from webber winning, the next WDC is always going to be a double or triple WDC. I don't think Lewis thinks in terms of being a double WDC before Seb.
30th May 2011, 22:35
CaptainRaiden

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Originally Posted by Cooper_S

But Lewis and Vettel are peers are they not?

Apart from webber winning, the next WDC is always going to be a double or triple WDC. I don't think Lewis thinks in terms of being a double WDC before Seb.

Unless he is absolutely obsessed with stats and figures.

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