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Agree clever strategy by SV, no need to take the second pit stop that he would have lost times and come out of it behind Alonso or even Button, better stick with current tyres and drove in as much defence as possible with some conjectures that overtaking at Monte Carlo can be done by a very little, besides from result in previous races Ferrari are suffering last laps syndrom.
I hear your pain. I simply stopped replying as clearly ioan is out to be a WUM rather than actually talk any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
I like you. You learn fast :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Haha!Quote:
Originally Posted by eu
If at first one does not succeed try and try again.
Normally I like to believe this is true, however, in the case of iona, I fear such an attempt would be futile.
Well he's right. Remember The Shoe running into the back of Coulthard at a wet Spa race? The Shoe returned to the pits so quickly on 3 wheels that even the commentators were shocked. Sometimes F1 cars can be driven fairly well and quickly with only 3 wheels attached.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
That was Spa, this is Monaco. That was the front right tyre, this was the right rear tyre. Agreed that the front tyres are used for steering, but with only one of the rear tyres accelerating in a single seater F1 car, who knows if Sutil would have been able to control it properly. At that point Lewis took the most evasive maneuver possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Besides we don't know how far was Lewis from Sutil, because we've only seen the footage from the front camera angle. Have you seen how short a cricket pitch looks from the front angle while watching it on TV? And in fact how long it is in reality? It was a split second decision, and here armchair experts, who actually have never driven an F1 car mind you, are sure that he could have made it through. Me, I would give the benefit of the doubt to the driver, who actually has years of racing experience. Also, the blame here lies on Algersuari as well, who saw Sutil's incident and didn't slow down in time.
But yeah, I guess Ioan is right. Because going by his logic, instead of braking to avoid Sutil's damaged vehicle, Lewis should have instead accelerated and managed to miss it by inches, knowing within those 0.5 seconds that only a single tyre is gone and he can surely steer it safely. That makes SO much more sense, especially at Monaco. :rolleyes:
Just what do you mean by "what was happening at 0:20"? At the beginning of the 20th sec or the end of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I now refer to this:
Formula 1
This may come as a shock but at Tabac, the cars are doing more than 200km/h. Just to put that in perspective, that works out to be 55.6 metres per ssecond. So at the beginning of the 21st second the cars have the potential to be 55 metres away from where they were at the beginning of the 20th second.
The track is not 55 meters wide.
Potentially, if Sutil's car had it grazed the barrier could have been strewn in bits across the track. (Not that that would happen with cars following either now would it?)
Yes, physics and common sense; sadly, you've ignored both.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I merely commented that an F1 car can sometimes be driven with 3 wheels only and you don't need to be an F1 driver to know that, you just gotta sit your butt on the couch and watch them do it on the telly, as we have seen many times before. No need to actually do it yourself to be classified as able to comment on it, or be right about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
Joe Saward writes in his blog; http://joesaward.wordpress.com/
[quote="Joe Saward"]It was a long day and relatively uninteresting although we did have time to discuss the weekend in Monaco and the conclusion reached was that Lewis Hamilton was incredibly unlucky, and Sebastian Vettel had the kind of good fortune that a man gets when he is on his way to a World Championship. Everything fell in his favour. He was given pole position and his primary rival (Hamilton) was stuck down in ninth. In the race when it looked like Sebastian would be beaten, a red flag came out and he was able to get new tyres. That robbed us of a great final few laps, because everyone was back on the same rubber and so the status quo remained.
Hamilton did what he could and pulled off some great moves to claw his way forward at a track where overtaking is virtually impossible, even with all the new systems. This begs a question: while Monaco is an integral part of the Formula 1 scene, and a key element in its brand value, is there really value in a race track where racing is not possible? It was not helped by the fact that the FIA stewards chose to penalise those who attempted to make up ground with risky overtakes. Yes, perhaps they made contact with other cars, but there is no other way to pass at Monaco, unless the other driver cedes. Michael Schumacher showed his intelligence when Lewis went past him, giving Hamilton just enough room once it was clear that they could not go through the corner together. Sadly, Pastor Maldonado did not display the same level of savvy when Hamilton did the same to him. He turned into Hamilton and ended up out of the race –]
It is only obvious that an F1 car can be driven on 3 wheels, even a five year old watching for the last year would know that, but have you thought about it in context of Monaco, especially at the Piscine/Tabac area where the cars behind you are traveling at 250 kmph? What Ioan was suggesting, and I quote him directly here, "it's very easy to control an F1 car on 3 wheels." Now, when one makes statements like those, you either have F1 driving experience or it's just plain and simple bull$hit. Yeah, it's been done before, but mostly on wider tracks with a lot of run-off area, where they have a lot of room to maneuver and the driver behind can go off track to avoid the vehicle, not an option in Monaco, where the only option is to brake hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Also, I think it's pretty darn obvious that you can't have the same kind of precision or control driving on 3 wheels compared to 4. And really how much time did Lewis have to make a decision on whether to brake and avoid or zoom past a car only a few meters ahead, which has a wheel missing? The only logical thing at that point was to not to run into the back of the Force India, and that's exactly what he did.
Obviously a car with 4 wheels steers better than one with 3. We can agree on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-ecutioner
But these are the superhero F1 drivers that you are talking up, not mere mortals such as ourselves. They should have taken stock of the situation and acted accordingly. I watched my taping of the race last night and the Force India is clearly in control (with a few small twitches) and moves right off the racing line and cuts the chicane at the swimming pool. The reason there was a crash was the cars behind were too busy fighting with each other to bother to take notice of a Force India which from behind can clearly be seen to have one tyre missing and moving at a slow(er) pace. This was a classic example of why you should not tailgate another car ;) :p :
Oops, my bad! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Is it just me or is it never Hamilton's fault according to some people on this thread. Maldonado, Massa and Algesuari are all in the wrong, not Hamilton, not ever :dozey:
Daniel, you have opened my eyes. Yes, Hamilton did do something wrong. He shouldn't have apologized to Massa or Maldonado for calling them fricken stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
but people on here don't seem to think that he did anything wrong, Hamilton was obviously joking with the black remark, we know that, but you could see that he blamed all the contact on other drivers......
He was, but I don't think anybody found it funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's obvious that this is the case. They believe that he is some sort of a freakin deity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I did, but then again, my wife says I have a sick sense of humour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
My wife just thinks I'm sick...... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
Except of course on payday, when for some reason I'm the best thing since........... :p
Well, I think the clue is clear when he mentions Sacha Baron Cohen's alter ego, and that, being white, the irony of a Jew pretending to be black and saying 'is it cos I is black'? is not lost on those with an ironically inclined SOH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Yes, it *was* funny when Ali G did it. We got it, but Hamilton spouting it is about as funny as when Richard Madley did it!
Has anyone considered for second putting themselves in Lewis's shoes when, for example, we had those morons in Spain, or the uneducated oiks making monkey noises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Now, imagine you've just completed an 80 lap race around Monaco, you make several overtakes, two of which another competitor has made in the same manner, and one you have successfully pulled off earlier, and this time, on two occasions, the stewards serve a penalty because the guy you tried to overtake turned in.....
You'd be a bit riled too I suspect for a while after the race.........
The Shoe came from as far back as Hamilton when he successfully got by Rosberg, and the Shoe made the gap for Lewis. So, what singles Lewis out from the rest of the pack?
Ummmmmmm, uuuurrrrrrr, aaahhhhhhhhhhh
Probably about the same number of people as those who insist that it's always Hamilton's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
I haven't read every single post in the 15-page flame war threads, but I don't recall anyone suggesting that Hamilton was blameless in the Massa incident.
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Originally Posted by AndyL
There are idiots on both sides sadly. Listen, I think Lewis is a great racer who at times has a very poor attitude. The rest of the time he's a great driver to watch.
The people who think it's always Hamiltons fault will ignore the Massa incident. Of course those same people cried and moaned when Lewis went down the pit lane next to Vettel last year. When Alonso drove side by side down the pit lane it was OK. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL