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9th July 2011, 12:33
Hartusvuori

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Loeb has no need to ridicule the finnish...he did it a few years back with tougher competition. This year ogier proved that he has the speed to deal with loeb in a straight fight so i think Loeb will go for the safe points instead of risking everything. Ogier on the other hand cannot afford to back down but he does not have the experience or the speed to win in finland in a 3 day war.

Sure they are going to try and be fast but i doubt they will take any risks so i predict a 1 and a half day semi-fight maximum....once the difference reeaches 15-20 seconds all is lost and they just have to see if ketomaa is close or not....

When Loeb won in Finland in 2008 the only competition he had was Hirvonen and back then Hirvonen didn't have yet the knowhow to win Finland. Next year the roles changed, and now there's Latvala and Ogier added for the victory battle as well. I'm repeating myself, but I think both works Citroens have the speed to win, but they - or at least Loeb - has the option to play it safe also. There's still no cruising to victory in Finland.

Thanks Tomi for the answer.
9th July 2011, 12:35
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

Loeb has no need to ridicule the finnish...he did it a few years back with tougher competition. This year ogier proved that he has the speed to deal with loeb in a straight fight so i think Loeb will go for the safe points instead of risking everything. Ogier on the other hand cannot afford to back down but he does not have the experience or the speed to win in finland in a 3 day war.

Sure they are going to try and be fast but i doubt they will take any risks so i predict a 1 and a half day semi-fight maximum....once the difference reeaches 15-20 seconds all is lost and they just have to see if ketomaa is close or not....

All these are logic,but i think that you miss the internal citroen ''cases'' between Sebs.These cases are not going to slow them down both of them,except if one of them retires..
9th July 2011, 13:03
N.O.T

lol...too much soap operas in the menu....this is rallying.
9th July 2011, 13:04
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

When Loeb won in Finland in 2008 the only competition he had was Hirvonen and back then Hirvonen didn't have yet the knowhow to win Finland. Next year the roles changed, and now there's Latvala and Ogier added for the victory battle as well. I'm repeating myself, but I think both works Citroens have the speed to win, but they - or at least Loeb - has the option to play it safe also. There's still no cruising to victory in Finland.

Thanks Tomi for the answer.

of course they have the speed to challenge (but i still think the upper hand is on the finns here) and they could potentially win in a straight fight if everything works ideal for them....however given the circumstances they will not.

the rally is close we will see...the rest is just speculations.
9th July 2011, 13:49
dimviii

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

lol...too much soap operas in the menu....this is rallying.

No....soap operas were the speed of new wrc against old ones.Remember?
9th July 2011, 14:01
N.O.T

you were at the acropolis rally...the cars (not the tires) are faster ??

Al attyah signing with WV remember ??

so you think that Loeb and Ogier will risk the championship because they want to prove to each other who is faster....nice dream. F1 suits you better if you think drivers care about tabloid journalism.....
9th July 2011, 14:15
dimviii

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

you were at the acropolis rally...the cars (not the tires) are faster ??.....

of course i was,like last 29 years.When you are wrong(as always) is much more clever to don t remember us this epic fail.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Al attyah signing with WV remember ??

of course i remember that i was the only one i said, that this driver can t be at VW rost if they are serious about winning.As you saw after 10 days i was correct again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

so you think that Loeb and Ogier will risk the championship because they want to prove to each other who is faster....nice dream. F1 suits you better if you think drivers care about tabloid journalism.....

Risking the championship? Didn t you noticed it till now?Did you watching F1?
9th July 2011, 21:59
bluuford

Seeded and updated entry list for NORF:
Martin Kangur (Honda Civic Type-R) has been added as you can see. Good news for 2WD competition.
http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/a...6-52-38253.pdf
9th July 2011, 22:13
N.O.T

Crazy entry list :)
11th July 2011, 05:34
Tinke1979

YouTube - ‪Sebastien Ogier rolls Citroen DS3 - WRC Rally Finland test 2011 @ Kuhmoinen (July 10th 2011)‬&rlm;

Ogier´s rally tests gone nicely.. Maybe affecting his driving? :) or is he just gonna be faster after this... Well not so hard crash after all, so I think Ogi should be fast here..
11th July 2011, 06:18
Tinke1979

Pretty nice places on the "new" stages. I think that Rantanen and Ketomaa should be high on friday because they have driven allready those new stages (parts of them) earlier in FRC. I was doing my recce on saturday (17h on car) :D we drove almost every stage, only missed Laajavuori, Mynnilä and Jokimaa.. Hassi and Hyväneula are the hardest stages to drive.
11th July 2011, 07:46
Miika

New stages, new cars, hungry drivers -> there´s bound to be some nasty surprises on the route even for the top guys.
11th July 2011, 19:11
Juha_Koo

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Originally Posted by Miika

New stages, new cars, hungry drivers -> there´s bound to be some nasty surprises on the route even for the top guys.

Yes. I believe this year's NORF might be one of the most action packed Rally Finland in recent history... Nearly everyone has a reason to push like madman. :)
12th July 2011, 15:26
Tseix

If somebody is interesting, I put some on board videos from this year stages.

ss5 Evo: YouTube - ‪2009 Lammi-Ralli EK5 Sami Paavilainen/Tomi Kankus, Hillman Imp‬&rlm;
First 14 km at stages ss6/ss9 Hyväneula: http://esapekkalappi.kuvat.fi/kuvat/...2010/EK+12.AVI
ss8 Koivukehä: YouTube - ‪Black Rocket-ralli 14.5.2011 / EK1 incar (nro 238)‬&rlm; ( I'm not 100 % sure, if start and finish are exactly same places as in the link, but quite close anyhow.)

I hope links are working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6YrvwCebgQ
13th July 2011, 17:22
pantealex

http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/a...9-02-14253.pdf

New version of Entrylist (updated monday 12.7), both VW Motorsport Skoda´s are P2 now and will start before Hänninen and rest of SWRC drivers
Lindroos gave his SWRC guestpass away because in SWRC you can only test 1 day and that is alltogether testday. His VW deal has many testdays, outside and inside Finland.
17th July 2011, 08:36
tigerlily

Hi!

Sorry if this question has already posted.
I'm going to Rally Finland.
I want to see a jumping spot because I went Rally Finland last year too but missed it.
Please tell me where I can watch it.

And is there an information of car parking place in the spectator guide book?
Can I get it in Helsinki? I want to make a plan before arriving Jyvaskyla.
17th July 2011, 09:47
jbmarcus21

#WRC Neste Oil Rally Finland 2011 Full program ! Timetable, Entrylist, Google Earth Map, Mobile Live Results Programme du Rallye Wrc de Finlande 2011
17th July 2011, 11:52
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigerlily

Hi!

Sorry if this question has already posted.
I'm going to Rally Finland.
I want to see a jumping spot because I went Rally Finland last year too but missed it.
Please tell me where I can watch it.

And is there an information of car parking place in the spectator guide book?
Can I get it in Helsinki? I want to make a plan before arriving Jyvaskyla.

Hi Tigerlily, when you come here buy the VM rally magazine, it's easy to find in Helsinki, and from that you can find how to get to the stages, and there is also descriptions of the stages, where is jump and so on, but if you go to some famous spot go in good time because there will be a lot of people.
Ganbatte Kudasai!!
17th July 2011, 13:03
tigerlily

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi

Hi Tigerlily, when you come here buy the VM rally magazine, it's easy to find in Helsinki, and from that you can find how to get to the stages, and there is also descriptions of the stages, where is jump and so on, but if you go to some famous spot go in good time because there will be a lot of people.
Ganbatte Kudasai!!

Kiitos Tomi!!

OK I'll buy VM rally magazine in Helsinki.
Can't wait to go there!
Last year I went by escort tour and this year I'll drive a rental car to go to places where I want to go.
Yeah there must be a lot of people. I need to go there quite early.

Ganbari Masu!!
17th July 2011, 14:07
OldF

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigerlily

Kiitos Tomi!!

OK I'll buy VM rally magazine in Helsinki.
Can't wait to go there!
Last year I went by escort tour and this year I'll drive a rental car to go to places where I want to go.
Yeah there must be a lot of people. I need to go there quite early.

Ganbari Masu!!

You can also use www.rally-maps.com for some pre recce.
17th July 2011, 15:24
Barreis

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Originally Posted by OldF

You can also use www.rally-maps.com for some pre recce.

Really nice site.
17th July 2011, 22:49
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigerlily

Kiitos Tomi!!

OK I'll buy VM rally magazine in Helsinki.
Can't wait to go there!
Last year I went by escort tour and this year I'll drive a rental car to go to places where I want to go.
Yeah there must be a lot of people. I need to go there quite early.

Ganbari Masu!!

You can buy programme at Neste Oil Gas stations while going up to the Jyvaskyla region from Helsinki. Welcome to Finland. You´ve done a good choice visiting the best rally in the WRC series!
18th July 2011, 16:22
Mise

Looking forward to see:

1. Hirvonen vs the top 4

2. Ketomaa vs Rantanen

3. Both Mini drivers vs Ketomaa and Rantanen

4. Hänninen vs Tänak

5. Salo (Mitsu R4) vs PG Andersson (Impreza R4)

6. R4 vs S2000

7. Novikov, Östberg & Tuohino compared to Ketomaa and Rantanen

8. Lindroos vs Mikkelsen

Only thing missing is a fast 207 driver.
18th July 2011, 20:44
Miika

Also Novikov vs. Finnish trees is always a duel worth the wait.
18th July 2011, 20:48
N.O.T

lets hope everyone stays safe...and may the fastest ford win.
18th July 2011, 21:46
Barreis

No way. French flag should win.
18th July 2011, 23:52
Francis44

I think Ogier might have a surprise for us, Loeb should play it safe.
18th July 2011, 23:55
focus206

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miika

Also Novikov vs. Finnish trees is always a duel worth the wait.

for sure :D
19th July 2011, 00:07
6789

I think this will be an amazing rally. I'm looking forward to seeing how Hayden Paddon goes, Finland is tough for him. So specialized.

I think Ogier is a big big chance, between him and JML
19th July 2011, 06:38
Miika

Already after last year´s Rally Finland I thought that Ogier will win next time around, and I´m not gonna change that bet now either. At least Ogier and the Fords will drive on the very edge where everything could happen. And some say the new stages on Friday will benefit the Finns, I´d thought those stages would give the French more equal chance of competing, since none of the top guys know those stages like their own pockets (apart from Ketomaa maybe).
19th July 2011, 08:34
donlorean

Local newspaper said that Janne Tuohino is cancelled his entry due to finansical problem...
19th July 2011, 11:47
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by donlorean

Local newspaper said that Janne Tuohino is cancelled his entry due to finansical problem...

Not a surprise, why does he even bother to make entries...
19th July 2011, 11:58
BleAivano

i think Loeb will win. JML+Ogier will probably fight very hard which might results in big offs
which means that Loeb will be there and snatch the win.
19th July 2011, 12:03
6789

JML will break the car and Ogier to put it on it's roof again? Lol. Either way it's going to be an awesome rally. Mini will be there as well, hope Meeke gets plenty of miles
19th July 2011, 13:46
Ucci

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Originally Posted by 6789

JML will break the car and Ogier to put it on it's roof again? Lol. Either way it's going to be an awesome rally. Mini will be there as well, hope Meeke gets plenty of miles

Speaking for Mini: it is a question, who of both drrivers will have a green light to attack on 110% and who will have a mission to finish the rally&collect the miles....But realistically I dont't expect any of Mini to be a threat to SebI&2&JML&Mikko&Peter....yet !
19th July 2011, 15:41
Rallyper

Mikko and JML will take the pace and keep it to the end. I think Mads Östberg will finish a top five. Maybe even higher. Even Iceman will make a good rally this year. I think Ogier and Loeb have a lot up to defend their situation in the team and both will fail trying to catch up behind the two Fords of Mikko and JML.
19th July 2011, 16:38
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

I think Mads Östberg will finish a top five. Maybe even higher. Even Iceman will make a good rally this year. I think Ogier and Loeb have a lot up to defend their situation in the team and both will fail trying to catch up behind the two Fords of Mikko and JML.

i usually dream of blue oil fields and giraffes with 9 legs....but ok.

Loeb and Ogier will drive fast for 4-5 stages see they cannot win without huge risks and will back down keeping an eye to ketomaa. then let Wilson decide who wants to win hirvonen or Latvala.
19th July 2011, 16:49
N.O.T

what is the weather going to be like ? i see that in tests we had rain....
19th July 2011, 17:27
Miika

Here the rest of this week will be warm and rainy, in the rain the temperature will be +20 C and when the sun is shining the temperature is up to +30 C, and even at night it is as high as +20. So very unusual summer weather for this place this week. And next week, it can be anything I guess, too early to call.
20th July 2011, 12:33
Bobcat

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Originally Posted by Ucci

Speaking for Mini: it is a question, who of both drrivers will have a green light to attack on 110% and who will have a mission to finish the rally&collect the miles....But realistically I dont't expect any of Mini to be a threat to SebI&2&JML&Mikko&Peter....yet !

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