Endurance racing is indeed interesting in that sense :)
Perhaps I need my tinfoil hat putting on, but I won't just take what James Allen says as fact :)
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Endurance racing is indeed interesting in that sense :)
Perhaps I need my tinfoil hat putting on, but I won't just take what James Allen says as fact :)
Michelin wanted to transfer their endurance racing know how to F1 with bigger wheels which meant more money and R&D bother.
I remember that Michelin proposed 20" wheels. If Michelin had won the bid, then Lewis Hamilton would have had spinners on his car since Oz.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
It would have completely changed the look and handling of the cars. Which is why the teams didn't want it.
Saw this one coming, new hard compound is crappier than the previous one!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91529
Obviously the FIA must have asked them to do it ioan :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Fudge! Daniel is right again.
My confidence in Pirelli receded after reading all the driver's comments.
Obviously! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
And it has nothing to do with them having outsourced the F1 research to Spearmint! ;)
It has to be said that Pirelli have really brought the fun back into F1 again. Thank you, thank you, thank you Pirelli !
I am loving F1 more this season than any other season before, and I've seen some good ones in the past !
http://en.espnf1.com/monaco/motorsport/story/50380.html
Pirelli support red flag rule tweak so cars are not allowed to be worked in in a red flag situation. I support this too, no work allowed on the cars, they start as they stop.
We were robbed of a grandstand finish last Sunday. It's a shame. I doubt Vettel would have won the race on 62 lap old Pirelli's.
How do we all think P's will stand up to Canada?
Good question - my crystal ball has packed up again!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
They held up very well at Monaco, and I recal Alonso chewed his Michelin grooved rears up there one year.
Canada is, I think, abrasive and has some severe braking zones, but crucially, no real fast high G corners, which have been the Pirelli killers thus far.
Yeah, my feelings too. Rears could give out quickly if there is traction issues out of the hairpins, but based on Monaco hopefully P will get 2 for 2 with their supersofts.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
That was due to rear bias weight distribution and also explain the Renaults quick off the line in the mid-2000sQuote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
It's not particularly abrasive at all. The track breaks up easily because of the climate. It's low grip due to the nature of being a temporary circuit so graining might need attention and therefore the track needs to be ramped up across the weekend - which never happened last year with rain and green race track on day hence the severe graining and degradation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Here's some points I've found about the Pirelli's characteristics:
Indeed, James Allen concurs:Quote:
BBC Sport - The mysteries of Red Bull v McLaren
The suggestion is that the RB7 has too much high-speed downforce for the fragile Pirelli to be able to deal with for very long and therefore has to be nursed more than on the McLaren.
During the tyre war of the early 2000s - and even to an extent with the tough control tyre Bridgestones of the last few years - it used to be that the more you could load up the car with downforce, the faster your stint time would be.
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A deep dive into the race strategies from Monaco: how the race was won : James Allen on F1 – The official website
It seems that the Pirellis fall apart quickly on tracks with medium to high speed corners, like Istanbul and Barcelona. But on low speed] tracks like Monaco they are better than Bridgestones because the surface of the tyre does not grain.
Bump.
Can't help but notice how quiet all the Pirelli doubters have gone.
Did the supersofts fall apart in Monaco or Canada? No.
Did the wets disintegrate? No.
Did we need 6 pitstops? No.
I'm growing more and more impressed with Pirelli and any doubters that remain are just stubborn and will never give them the credit they deserve.
Indeed, but they haven't changed them. Once we get to hotter climates again I expect them to fall away once more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
I personally wasn't impressed with the wet performance of the wets and inters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
No matter what, Pirelli will never impress you :p : It's thanks to them that we've had some many exciting races so far this year...like it or not ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
True :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Point proven I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
The inters were still s**t in comparison to B'stones which had a larger operating window. Good thing they're not in a tyre war because I wouldn't be happy going to warmer climates.
Pirelli just don't have the luxury of tyre testing as in previous years.
Latest news is that the FIA asked Pirelli to bring suitable compounds to races in order to allow for 2 stop races. I wonder why? Because they were great until now? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
There's nothing to be impressed with. The tires are crap this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That's why so many exciting races...keep on the bad job Pirelli :up: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I guess we get excited by different circumstances.
I think they are expecting a few issues in Valencia in a couple of weeks. I think I read that somewhere.
I know some haven't and won't be impressed by Pirelli, but I have largely enjoyed recent races, where the tyres have lasted a bit longer.
Lets hope the future races don't have too many major issues.
Point double proven. Seesh. Perhaps one day you'll see the light but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I guess that makes it two of us then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Hey, I'm willing to agree to disagree on this :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
Definitely. The 'stone inters were an awesome tyre. The Pirelli's aren't a patch on them and I think in the wet we need proper tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Personally I think the the lack of testing is just moronic in terms of tyres and getting the lower teams up to speed.....
I think Pirelli have done exactly as they were asked to do. We can't fault them for making the tires the powers that be wanted, and the change in tire life has made strategy a much more important aspect of the racing.
I think they should at least close the gap in performance between the two compounds used at a race. With so much time per lap between them, a driver can get a lucky break in track gaps and get on the right tires at the right time.
WTF is wrong with these Pirelli d!ckheads?
Pirelli wants qualifying rule tweak to stop teams not running to save tyres - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
Now they are pushing for Qualy rule changes instead of finally making real F1 tires. :down:
Is the crappy quality of their tires finally biting back when people see that drivers chose no to run in qualy on order to have enough tires to finish the race?! It was about time they got what they deserve for their under par products.
And WTH is wrong with F1 if any stupid newcomer who can't get their sh!t together can propose rule changes that suit their own agenda?! :down: :down:
I may be wrong (its been known to happen) but do the teams not have two less sets of tyres for races this year? If that is the case, you really can't blame the drivers on the fringes of the top ten to try something a bit radical and not run in q3, and Pirelli just seem to be trying to close that loophole.
I don't see the problem. You are always banging on about the same rules for all Ioan, this just seems to ensure that level playing field, no?
The same rules for all allows anyonenot to run in Qualifying if they don't want it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonic
What use to do a Q3 run if you know that you are slowest anyway?
Why shoul someone do a run if they don't need it? Just to massage Pirelli's crippled ego. Or is it that they make rules just for the sake of making rules?
F them. :down:
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Remember the start of 2009 when B'stones had a two step change between compounds but Vettel stupidly crashed into Kubica in Australia and then people complained how dangerous it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
But then last year B'stones were too good and there was moaning.
Can't please everyone.
Still what we see now in Q3 is due to Pirelli's crap product, so they should shut the f up and make some real racing tires instead of trying to change the rules to suit their crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
How the heck did F1 even go as low as accepting these idiots to provide tires for the whole F1 grid is mind-boggling.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Don't sit on the fence Ioan, say what you think. :p : ;)
Can't please everyoneQuote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Can't ever please one.
Yay! Another bit of strategy which they're removing from the mix..... fun....