I wonder what those in favor of legal prostitution would say when being denied unemployment benefits because there's an opening at the local brothel.
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I wonder what those in favor of legal prostitution would say when being denied unemployment benefits because there's an opening at the local brothel.
I would have thought that, if you believe in law and order, you would want a law outlawing something to be effective, wouldn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
BDunnell, I think you got to point where you are arguing just for the sake of arguing... So lets just leave it there
So, how well has that worked over the past several thousand years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
And how exactly do you propose to protect vulnerable young women from being pushed into the industry and get exploited and abused if you are against government legislation?
Not at all. I'm arguing because I disagree with your viewpoint — no other reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
There's always an opening at a brothel.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Because it was fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I can't understand them either. Maybe because men don't scream like crazy when they visit a strip club?! We have a drink talk and laugh (not very loud) with friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
How do you know that? Just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Only some people do that and they live in countries with orthodox religion. Rather self explanatory, especially as I lived in Romania for most of my life and I know how people think over there. In fact most people there think that prostitution is worse than theft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
You're making the same mistake that gadjo did a couple of days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
It worked just fine Malbec. The very fact we are here discussing it the way we do proves it.
You caught me there Henners. I didn't know about your friend. If that's how it's for your friend in UK than I'm sure that's how it is for all the unemployed friends arond the world.
So here are some of the results of the status quo that you are so damn proud of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Peter Sutcliffe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Robert Pickton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Speaking for the Dead - Rhode Island Monthly - May 2009 - Rhode Island
Long Island serial killer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ipswich serial murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So, things are working out just fine are they ben? I can understand your point of view, after all they're all just worthless whores right? Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
You're losing your time. In some countries people grow up with different views of what's right and wrong, with different moral compass that no amount of common sense and/or examples can change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Jeeeesus! What do those have to do with me? Someone has lost his head. Bye bye Malbec. Have a nice life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Chickening out eh? Just like most people like you do whenever they should assume responsibilities for what is happening in their society!Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
I should assume responsiblity for serial killers? You have no shame man. Disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Can you seriously not understand why prostitutes are targetted by serial killers? Because they're vulnerable and unprotected? Can you not see how they would be better protected in legal brothels? Other people can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
You don't appear to have put much thought into this subject.
Sadly I disagree. Its not about the difference in culture between countries. 'big' ben for example is I think British though I might be wrong, the same as other people on this thread who are strongly pro-legalisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Unfortunately there are many people throughout many societies who do believe that prostitution should remain illegal and its consequences (which they don't address) should be swept under the carpet and not discussed. The posts below yours illustrate that perfectly. Even in the cases I quoted from the US and UK, many of the investigations were delayed because the police and other authorities simply didn't care much that prostitutes kept disappearing until the bodies just kept piling up.
You do not have the level needed for understanding what is discussed here, that's the issue IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
He's no British, he was known as 'eu' before becoming Big Ben and is from the country that my flag represents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
You're right! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
One should be worried if ioan doesn´t insult him regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
It turns out I am a prejudiced British Orthodox and I've been living for 28 years without knowing that. I knew I was rahter against legalizing prostitution than for it but it seems I'm very vehement and loud about it and I'm driving people into becoming serial killers with a taste for 'whores' which is a term I'm very fond of inside my head but some people seemed to have gained access to that info too despite my efforts to hide it.
Keep up the good work, you're doing a great job. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Ioane, you're just an old whore! ( to set the record straight, in romanian it's not an offence but an appreciation, it means someone with a lot of experience, someone who can't be fooled, etc. ).Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You elegantly avoided my question...
I obviously wasn't interested on why you attended a strip club. I'm (still) interested on why you weren't (yet) at the "girls".
From the movies, from TV shows...... :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Now you don't believe I've ever been at one of those shows for women either.
Just imagine me at a show of Flamingo boys......
If it's a reference to one of my previous posts you're making a mistake. I used the robbery example just because the reasons that were mentioned in favour of prostitution could very easily be applied to thiefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Otherwise I dare say you'll have some surprises to know how people think over here NOW. :laugh:
I'd take it as a compliment. Your written English is very difficult to distinguish from a native English speaker, had ioan not pointed it out I would not have believed it was your second language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
As for the rest of your post, I really don't think you've thought enough on the topic so you should expect that if you continually refuse to address the reason why people want to legalise prostitution that it is reasonable then to believe that that is because you believe those reasons are of no value.
Why, has he been at the "boys" already?Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Don't think he's interested in such things. Whether he is or not I'm not intersted either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Hope it's clear now.
But you have to concede that the comparison isn't really valid. Robbery, rape, or even forced prostitution are not consensual acts. I thought what we were discussing was a financial transaction (involving sex) between two *consenting* adults.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
But if someone has moral objections to prostitution, I understand that. I have never used the services of prostitute... not overtly anyway. But I can't say that I've never been with girls whose primary attraction to me was a trip that I might take them on or something like that. I've always been too cheap (and proud) to pay a girl or even to buy expensive gifts for random girls. But (way) back in my "bad old days", it wasn't so uncommon for me to meet someone on a Friday night and end up renting an expensive hotel suite for the weekend. The way I see it now, that was sort of a "financial arrangement", true? Back then, maybe some girl would see my car or the watch that I was wearing and figure that I would be a good catch for some period of time. I wasn't. But maybe that's what some of them thought.
I did go to a wedding back in the 90's, and a guy I knew in college brought an escort as his date. He didn't tell anybody, though we wondered how a guy who had been a complete dork in school could land a quasi-model. She let the cat out of the bag to some of our dates after some drinks. I don't know if she slept with him (truly a prostitute), but she was paid to be his "girlfriend" for that weekend. Kind of a mini-scandal at the wedding and reception. But the way I saw it... they were both adults, so what will be, will be.
You put it all most eloquently. I very much agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
All good points Jag, but there is a flip side to every coin. Does anyone here really think that making prostitution legal will end all the prostitutes doing it in a black market fashion and thus avoiding any police presence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
And to some extent, all societies draw a line of morals in the sand when they create the laws of that country/state/region. Two consenting adults could also agree to make crack and smoke it, but society for the most part would still frown upon it.
I'm already tired to explain. Somebody ( henner?) said that "Prostitution will also always be seen as immoral, but its also something that will never be eradicated regardless of what label is slapped on it. It's the oldest industry in the world and there will always be a market for it".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
What I meant was related to this motivation to legalise prostitution. Because either robbery will never be eradicated and is probably as old as prostitution.
Now believe what you want.
Otherwise, despite latest debates, my point of view on this issue was expressed on page 2 and I mantain it. I shall not risk again to post on this thread.
During my posts of the last weeks I used to exclaim Fatality! - as things in my life are more and more related to the threads of this forum.
Fatality again! Just received an email from a certain WorldSex69 with the title "I want you! New job opportunities". Don't dare to open it.
Scary......
My thoughts would be more toward decriminalizing prostitution, rather than legalizing it. It's a very subtle difference, as that which isn't illegal is effectively legal. But I think it's rather ridiculous for police agencies to spend countless man hours, and the scant resources they have, trying to bust prostitutes and their customers, when more serious criminal cases are left to die on the vine. I'm not an extreme libertarian on social issues. But in most cases, whether it's prostitution, pornography, drugs, moonshine liquor, etc., my basic view is that what two consenting adults decide to do with, or put in their bodies, is their business. I may not approve. It might be harmful to them. And I may see it as immoral too. But as long as it involves consenting adults, and they keep their private affairs private (unlike streetwalkers, selling drugs or moonshine on a public street or whatever), I'm generally not for the government acting as a nanny.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
I do agree with you that (just like with pornography) it should depend on prevailing community standards. But there are a great many things that can be seen as immoral, yet are still (technically) legal. Many moons ago, I owned a small mortgage broker, and later worked for a couple of mortgage banks after my partners and I sold our firm. And though we didn't do the things that became commonplace in the early 2000's in mortgage banking (subprime for the average borrower/average property didn't truly exist back then), I'm sure that we did many things which many/most here might call "immoral" or "unethical". But they were not illegal. I have a very different life view now than I did then. So I wouldn't defend how I saw things or did things back then. But still, I can't see it being a good use of resources to try to criminalize each and every act which some consider to be immoral or unethical.
Please don't think that I was trying to paint you into a corner or change your mind - I wasn't. I was just making the point that things which are not consensual cannot be accurately compared to things which are consensual... even though both acts might have existed since the beginning of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
OK, I'll take that as a compliment! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
Because I've never seen a whore that looks as good as a stripper. I've really never been attracted to whores.Quote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo
That's how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Go ahead open it, if you don't you might regret it for a lifetime! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo