Student Riots

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Seems a bloody waste of their time and our money

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How much money is it needed for someone to attend along with other hundreds of students?
How are they to know if it is a waste of time or not if they don't try it first?

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Decent A Level grades, rigorous interview and entrance exam to get into Uni in the first place

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Decent A level grades are not to say that everything will be great at the Uni.
Also what if a 17 years old kid wasn't giving it his all however they could do much better at the Uni due to the different approach needed?

Give people a chance before judging them.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I guess there is also gratuitous access to schools in the UK. Or am I wrong?

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When you say gratuitous, what do you mean?

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Originally Posted by ioan

How much money is it needed for someone to attend along with other hundreds of students?
How are they to know if it is a waste of time or not if they don't try it first?



Decent A level grades are not to say that everything will be great at the Uni.
Also what if a 17 years old kid wasn't giving it his all however they could do much better at the Uni due to the different approach needed?

Give people a chance before judging them.

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Agreed.

I will have to call it a day now, it is quite late in Euroland!
I'll join again tomorrow! :)

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Not always, but the broad idea is right - elitism works as I've said

The cream floats to the top as it should do

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But then how do you think that ties in with increasing fees?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

When you say gratuitous, what do you mean?

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That no fees or taxes have to be paid.

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Originally Posted by ioan

That no fees or taxes have to be paid.

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Oh yes, most schools are run on that basis.

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

But then how do you think that ties in with increasing fees?

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Only the rich cream will stay afloat in the end?!

OK, now it's really good night time. ;)

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Seems a bloody waste of their time and our money

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Given that you claim to have attended a fee-paying school, this remark is a bit rich.

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Originally Posted by ioan

How much money is it needed for someone to attend along with other hundreds of students?
How are they to know if it is a waste of time or not if they don't try it first?

Decent A level grades are not to say that everything will be great at the Uni.
Also what if a 17 years old kid wasn't giving it his all however they could do much better at the Uni due to the different approach needed?

Give people a chance before judging them.

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Tens of thousands of pounds, the tuition fees are a drop in the ocean compared with how much it costs for each student to attend Uni.

If I said I was a brilliant goal keeper do you think I'd get a game at the Nou Camp? No of course not I would have to have proved myself beforehand to even get a trial let alone a place in the side.

Hence why an entrance exam is needed, see if they could hack it or not.

They have the chance to shine with GCSEs and A Levels that are all free.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Only the rich cream will stay afloat in the end?!

OK, now it's really good night time. ;)

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No, money has no bearing on it.

If you are bright then you will succeed, simple as.........

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

But then how do you think that ties in with increasing fees?

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The two are not connected, the fees have to be paid as there are too many kids attending Uni and Labour spunked away all our money.

Universities should be a lot more selective in terms of whom they accept for the good of the nation, the financial savings of that are just a bonus.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Apprenticeships just don't exist anymore...

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This is rather going off topic but as someone working in education & training I can tell you that apprenticeships are very much the focus of attention at the moment. Students are being encouraged to look at apprenticeships as an option and employers are being encouraged to take them on - http://www.apprenticeships.org

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A far from stupid course, surely, given that sexual health is an important field of academic medical research?

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I studied sex at uni, I think a lot of students do you know :D

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...fordshire.html

http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/courses/un...and+Technology

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...fordshire.html

http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/courses/un...and+Technology

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Take a break!

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/courses/un...and+Technology

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You do realise that surfing plays an important role in the economy in Devon and Cornwall? Do you know they're trying to make surfing a bigger business too? did you know only 1 module is actually going to the beach and surfing? Or is it simply better to judge a book by its cover?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

This is rather going off topic but as someone working in education & training I can tell you that apprenticeships are very much the focus of attention at the moment. Students are being encouraged to look at apprenticeships as an option and employers are being encouraged to take them on - http://www.apprenticeships.org

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Indeed, I am in the process of sorting out an apprenticeship :)

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Originally Posted by Drew

You do realise that surfing plays an important role in the economy in Devon and Cornwall? Do you know they're trying to make surfing a bigger business too? did you know only 1 module is actually going to the beach and surfing? Or is it simply better to judge a book by its cover?

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Perhaps they could build a 500 million pound Uni on Anglesey and another one for motor sport at Croft

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Perhaps they could build a 500 million pound Uni on Anglesey and another one for motor sport at Croft

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The Bangor University has some courses on Anglesey and you can study various motorsport related degrees throughout the country. You do realise that Plymouth isn't JUST a surf university, right?

Myerscough do motor sport, not sure if Frank Williams, Bernie Eccelestone, Christian Horner did a degree course in running a F1 team though.

Maybe I missed that bit of their CVs

But build these new Unis anyroad not like the country is skint is it?

Ignoring the Beckham Degree are we?

Utter waste of my money, spend my money on decent worthwhile degrees.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Myerscough do motor sport, not sure if Frank Williams, Bernie Eccelestone, Christian Horner did a degree course in running a F1 team though.

Maybe I missed that bit of their CVs

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The Motorsport course at Merscough College is essentially a mechanical engineering course.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Ignoring the Beckham Degree are we?

Utter waste of my money, spend my money on decent worthwhile degrees.

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And there is no such thing as a David Beckham degree. He was just a very small part of the syllabus.

Part of my degree looked at how social media can be used a marketing tool for businesses. This doesn't mean I did degree in Facebook. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Drew

You do realise that Plymouth isn't JUST a surf university, right?

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No you can do such essential life sustaining degrees as

TV Arts, Dieting, Dance, Ocean Exploration, Photography, Graphic Communication with Typography and various other complete and utter waste of time courses.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

The Motorsport course at Merscough College is essentially a mechanical engineering course.

And there is no such thing as a David Beckham degree. He was just a very small part of the syllabus.

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You sure?

* BSc (Hons) Motorsport Management and Logistics
* FdSc Motorsport Management and Logistics

Sound just like the sort of thing Ken Tyrrell would have found invaluable.

That Zetec Escort goes well mind.

A degree course discussing Beckham's hair do - so essential

http://www.collegedegree.com/library...p-25-strangest

[quote="Brown, Jon Brow"]The Motorsport course at Merscough College is essentially a mechanical engineering course.
really? why does a friend of mine teach about running a rally team and navigation etc.Thay have at one time run a racing car and a rally car from Myerscough College.Or have You been doing the course?

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Originally Posted by driveace

really? why does a friend of mine teach about running a rally team and navigation etc.Thay have at one time run a racing car and a rally car from Myerscough College.Or have You been doing the course?

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I have attended open days at Merscough College. A huge bulk of that course is mechanical engineering for the colleges motorsport activities. There might teach an odd segment about team management.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I have attended open days at Merscough College. A huge bulk of that course is mechanical engineering for the colleges motorsport activities. There might teach an odd segment about team management.

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Odd that they name the courses as they have done then, bit misleading to the potential students.

I too went to the original open day as all the local car clubs were invited.

But if there's to be a cull of worthless degrees motor sport wouldn't be in my targets, there's plenty far worse than need doing away with before that.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before . . . or not . . . but I found this young kid very energetic and enthusiastic.
I wonder and hope that there are many more smart kids like this one that are starting to pay attention and realize that it's their time to shine and make a difference.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U_gH...layer_embedded

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

A degree course discussing Beckham's hair do - so essential

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Perhaps you missed this, or deliberately ignored it.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

And there is no such thing as a David Beckham degree. He was just a very small part of the syllabus.

Part of my degree looked at how social media can be used a marketing tool for businesses. This doesn't mean I did degree in Facebook. :rolleyes:

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If you ignore the Torygraph's simplistic and misleading headline you will see that in fact students of Sport, Media and Culture were examining the rise of football from its folk origins in the 17th century to the central place it occupies in British culture.

But then that wouldn't have made a very interesting point would it :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Ignoring the Beckham Degree are we?

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Yes, because I don't know anything about it. Unlike some people in the world I'm not going to put my unfounded, narrow minded and stupid viewpoints across about things I have no idea about.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

No you can do such essential life sustaining degrees as

TV Arts, Dieting, Dance, Ocean Exploration, Photography, Graphic Communication with Typography and various other complete and utter waste of time courses.

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Now you are also judging what is useful for the society and what not?
All this based on your immense knowledge that we are yet to get a glimpse of. :\

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Originally Posted by driveace

Thay have at one time run a racing car and a rally car from Myerscough College.

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Who?! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Sorry if this has been mentioned before . . . or not . . . but I found this young kid very energetic and enthusiastic.
I wonder and hope that there are many more smart kids like this one that are starting to pay attention and realize that it's their time to shine and make a difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U_gH...layer_embedded

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Tell you what it does demonstrate

That they are clueless and haven't understood the changes, if they had they would know that they are in fact better off now

Clueless spotty herberts , thank God they can't vote and why can't they vote, because their opinions are worthless

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Originally Posted by ioan

Now you are also judging what is useful for the society and what not?
All this based on your immense knowledge that we are yet to get a glimpse of. :\

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So how does a degree about David Beckham benefit the UK?

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

So how does a degree about David Beckham benefit the UK?

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David Beckham durp de durppppp

I'm guessing because you're latching onto phrases spoonfed to you rather than actual nuances and basic facts surrounding this degree you're talking about, you would probably miss that it would be advantageous in things like sports management and general marketing.

Which benefits the economy because then people will want to buy the stupid hair gel that their soccer idol is flogging because some marketer/manager is exploiting his public persona/appearance which is shaped by the marketers and the managers.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

So how does a degree about David Beckham benefit the UK?

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It doesn't because there is no such thing, although you do seem to have fascination with the idea :p :

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Originally Posted by ioan

Who?! :rolleyes:

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Now if we are picking up on spelling faults ioan,then look back at some of your last items posted in the last few days,and you made some too!!!!!!
Or are you mr perfect?

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

TV Arts, Dieting, Dance, Ocean Exploration, Photography, Graphic Communication with Typography and various other complete and utter waste of time courses.

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Given that the courses are going to be charged per year it will be the longer courses such as medicine and engineering that will most likely see a drop in interest. Since a medical degree will cost up to 54k purely for the course itself, not to mention the extra living and travelling expenses that such a degree entails, its safe to say that poorer students will be discouraged from applying. Instead we'll see a move back to how things were before with merely the already well off being able to contemplate studying medicine.

As for the effect on engineering, for a country that supposedly wants to boost manufacturing in order to wean itself off the financial sector in the future, discouraging students from studying that discipline seems to indicate a lack of foresight to say the least. Maybe we can import engineers in the future, if only there wasn't an immigration cap...

In fact I foresee an increase in the number of 'useless' courses you describe, after all they are far cheaper for the universities to run and are therefore more profitable as well as being more affordable for students.

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Originally Posted by driveace

Now if we are picking up on spelling faults ioan,then look back at some of your last items posted in the last few days,and you made some too!!!!!!
Or are you mr perfect?

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I have had my strident disagreements with ioan on these forums over the years, but in this instance his contributions are worth defending, being as they are intelligent, well-reasoned and, I think everyone should agree, extraordinarily well-written for someone whose first language is not English. Indeed, the quality of his written English, and indeed that of many other mainland European members, puts that of many English native speakers to shame.