Toyota announces WRC plans

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On the cover of next issue of Japan's Best Car magazine (goes on sale tomorrow) is a photo of the Yaris RRC with captions that say something like " At last testing will start in October. Vitz WRCar. Toyota returns to WRC"

https://twitter.com/bestcarmagazine/.../photo/1/large

I will try to find this issue on the weekend.

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On the cover of next issue of Japan's Best Car magazine (goes on sale tomorrow) is a photo of the Yaris RRC with captions that say something like " At last testing will start in October. Vitz WRCar. Toyota returns to WRC"

https://twitter.com/bestcarmagazine/.../photo/1/large

I will try to find this issue on the weekend.

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Is the humor intentional?
Nearly 2 full years since you posted that same magazine was reporting:

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http://www.motorsportforums.com/images/icons/eek.gif Toyota announces WRC plans

Here is a link to Best Car magazine in Japan. You can see the cover of their next issue, which is due out on Monday. The headline says something like
"Toyota confirms WRC participation!!"

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I will attempt to find a copy, tomorrow.

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Reminds me of News reports that would sometimes say (years after he had actually died) "This just in: Generalissimo Franco is still dead"

Maybe irrelevant, maybe not: http://i.autoblog.com/2012/07/25/is-...extreme-yaris/

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Is the humor intentional?
Nearly 2 full years since you posted that same magazine was reporting:


Reminds me of News reports that would sometimes say (years after he had actually died) "This just in: Generalissimo Franco is still dead"

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To be fair, the rest of the world was hearing rumours of Toyota's move in to F1 years before they announced it and made public moves.

It does seem to be growing in credibility, and across multiple, usually well informed sources.

The fact that the Toyota boss as good as admitted it not so long ago would allude to that fact that the 'other' giant of world motoring is ploughing headlong towards a return to the WRC.

They don't do things by halves these big boys.

Win it, or bin it....

People who think that the competition department of a car manufacturer has carte blanche to start a WRC programme six months before their car hits the stages is still living in the sixties! Anyone that has worked for a car manufacturer, especially a Japanese one, will understand that two years of planning and possibly another two years of development for a motor sport project is normal procedure. Even then, the bean counters or other factors can still scuttle the project, so an official announcement is only made after the budget to compete in the first season has been secured. Beyond their attention grabbing headlines, Best Car have so far been quite accurate with the news about Toyota's WRC involvement since they first broke it in 2010.

The thing is that if Toyota continue like this they will end up like the FIAT joke who have plans in joinning the WRC "next year" since 2000....

Toyota joking? Doubtly. I read some article in autosport not long ago aiming to gather the technical staff, probably is cited here somewhere.... I guess they just have to manage to do both WEC & WRC, but shouldn't be much a problem for a big company like them.

Lets hope so, the WRC needs a Japanese manufacturer or 2..... or 5.

OK, sorry for the delay in posting this - I bought the August copy of Best Car about 3 weeks ago! I will re-read it (with a dictionary beside me) to double check but here are the main points of what it said about Toyota. The four pages included a pic of a 4cyl. 1.6l engine on a dyno wth caption saying '340ps with 33mm restrictor, 1000hors of test running'. Parts of the article read like an interview with TMG President, Mr Ki no sh ita. There is mention that the first step to a WRC car will be the completion of an R5 Yaris customer car, which will easily be convertible to a 2014-spec WRCar. The R5 car will start testing in October. Homologation is currently scheduled for summer next year and rally debut is slated for 2014 Monte Carlo.

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OK, sorry for the delay in posting this - I bought the August copy of Best Car about 3 weeks ago! I will re-read it (with a dictionary beside me) to double check but here are the main points of what it said about Toyota. The four pages included a pic of a 4cyl. 1.6l engine on a dyno wth caption saying '340ps with 33mm restrictor, 1000hors of test running'. Parts of the article read like an interview with TMG President, Mr Ki no sh ita. There is mention that the first step to a WRC car will be the completion of an R5 Yaris customer car, which will easily be convertible to a 2014-spec WRCar. The R5 car will start testing in October. Homologation is currently scheduled for summer next year and rally debut is slated for 2014 Monte Carlo.

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I think you mean RRC, as Toyota is planning a Yaris RRC and then a WRC.

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Originally Posted by rv65

I think you mean RRC, as Toyota is planning a Yaris RRC and then a WRC.

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There's no RRC class, R5 class for future rally cars.

He means S2000 1.6T which under current rules is same homologation as the WRC and therefore must be homologated together with WRC.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

He means S2000 1.6T which under current rules is same homologation as the WRC and therefore must be homologated together with WRC.

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Yes Mirek, I understand that, but like you mentioned in another thread that RRC as a category doesn't exist. It is just a name that Ford gave their Fiesta S2000 1.6T project.
But I also understand that S2000, S2000 1.6T, RRC, Super Production etc is hard to follow.
But R5 is supposed to be the next "real deal", right? At least I wish it could save the national classes.

How would it even be possible to "easily convert" an R5 to a WRC? R5s are not S2000-based ...

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But R5 is supposed to be the next "real deal", right? At least I wish it could save the national classes.

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As far as I understand the R5 is not intended to play some significant role in WRC events. WRC cars will stay and together with them probably also the S2000 1.6T (unless they change the regulations to allow WRC being build also from the R5 - I don't say it's impossible). So the S2000, S2000 1.6T and the R5 will a least for some time co-exist in the regional/national championships.

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There's no RRC class, R5 class for future rally cars.

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That’s true. There’s no such class as RRC or Super Production. The class for these cars is class 2, (S2000-Rally: 1.6T engine with a 30mm restrictor, S2000-Rally: 2.0 NA engine and group R4 , N4 with an enhanced suspension.)

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How would it even be possible to "easily convert" an R5 to a WRC? R5s are not S2000-based ...

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I would said the R5 is a lot based on S2000 as the current WRC cars are, exept for engine regulations and transmission regulatios (6 gear gearbox for S2000 and WRC compared to 5 gear grearbox for R5). I believe it could be possible.

The mesurments of the body shell is the same for a R5, WRC and S2000 car (and a RRC car, class 2 car). If the attachments points are the same for suspension, engine, gearbox etc. I belive it wouldn’t be so difficult to replace the parts from a R5 to WRC specifiction parts.

Yeah, but if you replace every single attachable piece of the car, leaving only the shell, it's not that far from building from a scratch - all those parts would need to be separately developed. But yes, there's a potential for some saving for the manufacturer.

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I would said the R5 is a lot based on S2000 as the current WRC cars are, exept for engine regulations and transmission regulatios (6 gear gearbox for S2000 and WRC compared to 5 gear grearbox for R5). I believe it could be possible.

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Similar is been done this year from WRC to RRC - as it've planned in the regulations. I don't know the details, but these are the same chassis.

From WRC to RRC it's easy. It is same car. Only several parts are different.

Cool car, and something is happenening

Toyota Yaris Hybrid-R gets detailed

just remove the electroengines and start testing!

hm someone's looking for an experienced WRC development engineer :)

apparently i cannot post links (yet), check job opportunities at toyota-motorsport.com

Seems Toyota is looking for s Senior Development Engineer with Excellent up-to-date technical knowledge especially regarding current WRC cars as well as relevant experience in a rally environment
http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/ima...%20Project.pdf

Maybe this indicates that the start working actively on a WRC return?

comment from TMG: "The GRE development is with a Super 2000-based chassis. No WRC plans yet."
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Where is that coming from?
Anyway S2000 cars as we know them (Fabia, Punto, 207) are dead and replaced by R5, but current WRC cars have chassis based on S2000 car regulations, not R5.

One thing only: this document has no date on it. Could be years old?

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One thing only: this document has no date on it. Could be years old?

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maybe PGA could join? :p :

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Originally Posted by Rallyper

One thing only: this document has no date on it. Could be years old?

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The date of the document is 15/08/2013

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maybe PGA could join? :p :

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They didnt need a testdriver at that point, for sure, whenever it was. And by now he doesn´t deserve any position in my opinion...

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Seems Toyota is looking for s Senior Development Engineer with Excellent up-to-date technical knowledge especially regarding current WRC cars as well as relevant experience in a rally environment
http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/ima...%20Project.pdf

Maybe this indicates that the start working actively on a WRC return?

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Ahhhhh

Toyota Motorsport testet Weltmotor

- TMG will test Yaris S2000 with 1.6 turbo engine, which could be the base for their WRC, if Toyota Japan will give a green light,
- GT86 R3 is being prepared.

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Toyota Motorsport testet Weltmotor

- TMG will test Yaris S2000 with 1.6 turbo engine, which could be the base for their WRC, if Toyota Japan will give a green light,
- GT86 R3 is being prepared.

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GT86 R3 ==> Looking forward to this! :D And of course also Yaris R5!

GT86 R3 doesn't sound good, maybe R4.

Yaris S2000? S2000 are no longer homologated, only R5.

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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

GT86 R3 doesn't sound good, maybe R4.

Yaris S2000? S2000 are no longer homologated, only R5.

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Both wrong :)

R4 = 4WD only, GT86 is RWD. It's not possible to convert 2WD to 4WD under R regulations except R5. There are other points. The engine is 2000 ccm NA which is good for R3 but useless for R4. The car weights in stock version 200 kg less than minimum weight for R4 car. You would need to place 200 kg of ballast there, why? Another point is that R4 is going to be banned in the future and production cars will turn back to N4 only.

S2000 is still allowed to be homologated if it is fit with 1.6T engine which is the case of Yaris. All 1.6T WRC cars are homologated as S2000.

And weight/windth to R3?

Ups, forgot the S1600T.

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And weight/windth to R3?

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R3 2.0 NA have a minimum weight 1080 kg which looks achievable with GT86 to me. There was even one reasonably heavier and still successful R3 car - Honda Civic R3.

It looks like there will be an R3 version of Toyota's GT-86 is announced.
http://www.wrc.com/news/toyota-build...car/?fid=19348

It needs competition from other RWD cars, what about the Subaru BRZ? And others?? Maybe the FiA have a RWD class planned.... Toyota wouldn't build it if there wasn't a market for it.

There wasa R-GT class in the works for RWD cars, but I'm not sure how it turned out...