Judaism is a religion but also a nationality.Some have called it a race but I don't agree with those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
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Judaism is a religion but also a nationality.Some have called it a race but I don't agree with those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
Not the same Jews got. Those Jews who were there before the Muslims have been dead for centuries. In the same way, you don't have the right to your ancestral land in Germany anymore. You or your ancestors left, they lost their place. Does make sense, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
These Ethiopian Jews don't look like a "bunch of white boys" to me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Leaving and being deported forcefully isn't the same. If you choose somewhere better to live and desert your homeland you only have yourself to blaim. BTW Jews have been living here continuously since those times, albeit at smaller numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
To me it doesn't matter, because I consider racial, ethnic and religious discrimination all unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
So why is it always you bringing up that the Jews don't deserve to live in Israel? Regardless of the chain of events leading up to it, the current country of Israel is occupied by mostly Jewish people, living there legally. It shouldn't matter where they were born, how old they are, or if their ancestors lived in what is now Israel. They are legal residents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Your argument seems to be that history should be changed, but only that history that supports your bias, views, and discrimination against certian inhabitants in certain countries.
That statement is ignorantly stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
There were twelve tribes of Israel, and those from of Judah were the most loyal to God, but as the twelve tribes are said, by some any way, to include all three races-- they -- if they are loyal to the God of Israel can still be of the Jewish Faith; whereas the Bible say that in the last days they will be saved by the hairs of their chinny-chin-chins simply because of the covenant God made with the Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
There is no such thing as a white race except among politicians using it to divide and separate, but as Caucasians would be the "white" race, skin color or not, unless they are from a racially mixed marriage, people with dark skin from the near east are as much white boys as are Swedes.
Pray tell why this is the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
I can trace part of my family tree back to a small village called East Harling in Norfolk from the very early 1700's.
These ancestors were Quakers, who at the time were a persecuted religious minority and as such emmigrated to many parts of the world so they could practise religious freedom.
So by using your logic, I should be able to return and claim what is perhaps rightfully mine....... Best get in quick then hadn't I!
Vacuous rhetoric in the mode of -- oranges are round; therefore all round things are oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
One thing you are not employing is logic as your statement is not related, in any manner, to the one by Eki that was ignorant in the greatest degree, although your knowledge of why the Jews put claim to their land seems to equal Eki's.
You still haven't explained why you regard Eki's post as ignorant.
I'm curious to know who this 'God' was that gave them 'their' land, you want to enlighten me?
Also without getting too personal, do you believe in creationism?
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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
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Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry! :dozey:
I always bring up that foreign born Jews shouldn't automatically have the right to move to Israel and take space (which is very limited in Israel) from the native born (usually Arabs and Palestinians) and send them to refugee camps and reservations.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
If I condemned the slavery of Africans and the dirty deeds done to Native Americans, you'd probably claim that I hate Europeans and think they don't have the right to live in America :rolleyes:
Yes, as white as the Swedish runner Mustafa Mohamed here (second from the right):Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://www.friidrott.se/bilder/7051.jpg
I must say radical islam will have a field trip in Sweden if all security forces there are as frightened as those guys in the university. Pretty funny stuff.
see what happen when you want to have a draw a cartoon day??????
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article...kdown/19487077
nothing like Islamic freedom of speech, as long as it praises the prophet properly...
IF you want a thread on religion, or theology, start one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
Eki creates his own world, ignorant of the real one seemingly by choice.
There is not your truth and my truth, there is only the truth. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an asinine fool.
Why God did what he did-- read the Bible.
The only people that act in a obtuse manner, to a greater degree than Eki's make believe rhetoric, are those who make the Bible say what they want and ignore what they do not like.
So you know he is a Caucasian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
If he is, yup, he is just another white boy.
Of course one of the most vile forms of prejudice, is one based on skin color.
You seem to separate by skin color, which would be close to being one in that category.
It is odd, the former is thesame attitude American Indians took when they finally hit casino jack-pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
They decided that any Indian who got tired of reservation poverty and left the reservation for a decent job, should ostracized and denied any of the casino profits by many tribes, because they dared to leave and join U.S. society as whole rather than stay in misery and pee and moan about how bad they had it.
So you are saying any Jews who had left-- lost the right to their homeland because someone, at some point in time was forced to leave, or dared to leave looking for better for their own.
Brilliant!
No, I don't know. Do you really know Ethiopians are Caucasian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Are these Chinese Jews Caucasian too?
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religio...eng%20Jews.jpg
You are babbling nonsense, try reading what I wrote, before you make obtuse posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
I wonder to whom Texas really belongs, Spain, France, Mexico or someone else. Can you enlighten me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas
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Colonization
Main articles: French colonization of Texas, Spanish Texas, and Mexican Texas
Texas in 1718, Guillaume de L'Isle map, approximate state area highlighted, northern areas indefinite
The first historical document related to Texas was a map of the Gulf Coast, created in 1519 by Spanish explorer Alonso Álvarez de Pineda.[23][24] Nine years later, shipwrecked Spanish explorer Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca and his cohort became the first Europeans in Texas.[25][26] European powers ignored Texas until accidentally settling there in 1685. Miscalculations by René Robert Cavelier de La Salle resulted in his establishing the colony of Fort Saint Louis at Matagorda Bay rather than along the Mississippi River.[27] The colony lasted only four years before succumbing to harsh conditions and hostile natives.[28]
In 1690 Spanish authorities, concerned that France posed competitive threat, constructed several missions in East Texas.[29] After Native American resistance, the Spanish missionaries returned to Mexico.[30] When France began settling Louisiana, mostly in the southern part of the state, in 1716 Spanish authorities responded by founding a new series of missions in East Texas.[31][32] Two years later, they created San Antonio as the first Spanish civilian settlement in Texas.[33]
Hostile native tribes and distance from nearby Spanish colonies discouraged settlers from moving to Texas. It was one of New Spain's least populated provinces.[34] In 1749, the Spanish peace treaty with the Lipan Apache[35] angered many tribes, including the Comanche, Tonkawa, and Hasinai.[36] The Comanche signed a treaty with Spain in 1785[37] and later helped to defeat the Lipan Apache and Karankawa tribes.[38][39] With more numerous missions being established, priests led a peaceful conversion of most tribes. By the end of the 1700s only a few nomadic tribes had not converted to Christianity.[40]
When the United States purchased Louisiana from France in 1803, American authorities insisted that the agreement also included Texas. The boundary between New Spain and the United States was finally set at the Sabine River in 1819.[41] Eager for new land, many United States settlers refused to recognize the agreement. Several filibusters raised armies to invade Texas.[42] In 1821, the Mexican War of Independence included the Texas territory, which became part of Mexico.[43] Due to its low population, Mexico made the area part of the state of Coahuila y Tejas.[44]
Stephen F. Austin was the first American empresario given permission to operate a colony within Mexican Texas.
Hoping that more settlers would reduce the near-constant Comanche raids, Mexican Texas liberalized its immigration policies to permit immigrants from outside Mexico and Spain.[45] Under the Mexican immigration system, large swathes of land were allotted to empresarios, who recruited settlers from the United States, Europe, and the Mexican interior. The first grant, to Moses Austin, was passed to his son Stephen F. Austin after his death.
Austin's settlers, the Old Three Hundred, made places along the Brazos River in 1822.[46] Twenty-three other empresarios brought settlers to the state, the majority of whom were from the United States.[46][47] The population of Texas grew rapidly. In 1825, Texas had a population of approximately 3,500, with most of Mexican descent.[48] By 1834, Texas had grown to approximately 37,800 people, with only 7,800 of Mexican descent.[49]
Many immigrants openly flouted Mexican law, especially the prohibition against slavery. Combined with United States' attempts to purchase Texas, Mexican authorities decided in 1830 to prohibit continued immigration from the United States.[50] New laws also called for the enforcement of customs duties angering both native Mexican citizens (Tejanos) and recent immigrants.[51]
The Anahuac Disturbances in 1832 were the first open revolt against Mexican rule and they coincided with a revolt in Mexico against the nation's president.[52] Texians sided with the federalists against the current government and drove all Mexican soldiers out of East Texas.[53] They took advantage of the lack of oversight to agitate for more political freedom. Texians met at the Convention of 1832 to discuss requesting independent statehood, among other issues.[54] The following year, Texians reiterated their demands at the Convention of 1833.
Texas belongs to Texans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
You really are that dense aren't you? Land claims go to either those that hold the land currently, or held it first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
So clearly it's the property of the United States currently. If the Native Americans really wanted to make some sort of claim to it, I suppose they could have some standing. But I don't see too many tribes out there demanding their land back.
and the texicans screwed up a few years later and joined the unionQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Your crazy comparisons ignore one thing... Israel can do as it wishes in Israel. Just like any other nation can within international laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
How do you know I haven't read the Bible? Just because it is in the Bible or any other holy book does not make it true..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
You still haven't answered the question(s)..... Why is Eki's post ignorant? Just because you don't agree with it? Seems I can quote back to you about make believe, I guess you believe in the tooth fairy as well....... :p
So are you a creationist?
I answered it, you do not like the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
You are babbling also, do you have a point?
As to why he chooses to be seemingly ignorant, ask Eki.
The thread is not about me, try again.
Well, I guess we can then at least agree that Israel shouldn't build settlements on the Occupied Territories, because it is against international laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by airshifter
Which ones? The current ones or the first ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
You have asked me when there was a nation called Palestine. Let me ask when there was a nation called Jews?
A similar mistake to Israel happened in smaller scale in Finland with the Ingrian Finns. At least Finland tries to limit the consequences by stopping the remigration. Israel should do the same with the Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingrian_Finns#Present_day
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After the collapse of the Soviet Union about 25,000 Ingrians and their family members from Russia and Estonia have moved to Finland[6], where they are eligible for automatic residence permit in the Finnish Law of Return. In 2010 the Finnish government decided to stop the remigration and new residence seeking Ingrians will be treated similar way than any other foreigners. There are still about 15,000 people in the remigration queue.[6]
The number of people who declared their nationality as Finnish in the 2002 Russian census was 34,000 (down from 47,000 in 1989 (RSFSR).
As many Ingrian Finns, including mixed families, who moved to Finland did not speak another language than Russian and in many cases identify themselves as Russians,[7] mostly the younger generation, there are social integration problems similar to those of any other migrant groups in Europe, to such an extent that there is a political debate in Finland as to the maintenance of the Finnish Law of Return. On the contrary, native Finnish-speakers easily assimilate to mainstream Finnish culture, leaving little trace of original Ingrian traditions.
Look up where the name Israel came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
So what? What does that got to do with Jews? Finland was founded by Lutherans, but it doesn't mean that every Lutheran in the world is automatically a Finn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
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Originally Posted by Eki
Why is it so hard for you to see that Israel is unique in some respects?
True, no other country is considered a homeland for the jewish nation, but why does that mean there shouldn't be one ? Why should there be a homeland for finns by the same logic?
Israel is the only country ever to ressurect a dead language. By your logic should I be speaking yiddish instead of hebrew?
Israel is endemmic in some respects.
History created the circumstances which made this country a reality. If you like, you can blaim 20th century europe and especially the people of the Axis Powers and those who joined them (such as Finland) for helping bringing forth this latest incarnation of Israel. WW2 didn't create zionism (it was started by Herzl in the 19th century) but helped it along oddly.
Very good points Rani. Whilst I don't believe there should have been a Jewish state in the first place, it's there now and that's that. It would just be nice if people could play together properly....
I (obviously) disagree. I think jews having a country of their own (however torn with wars) is a better option than the historic cycle of getting kicked out-settling somewhere else-settling in-getting kicked out (or exterminated).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
As for it being nice if people could get along, it would indeed be nice. Maybe in the future, I never lose hope. If not for me than for my children...
Which ones!?!?!? Can you really be that dumb? I said either the people there currently have control, or the people that were there first. Since the people that were there first are not making any current legitimate claims, Texas belongs to the United States. You really have no grasp of logic do you? Oh wait I don't need to ask that question ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
This has got to be by FAR FAR FAR the stupidest thing to ever be typed on this forum. And that is saying something. I'm not going to put you on ignore Eki, because then I'd miss all the fun. But don't expect too many responses from me. Someone that has that little knowlege of the world around them, I don't really need to waste my time on. Have fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
no it don't......just ask the Texas Republicans (those true members of the Republic of Texas --and not those yankee carpetbaggers)and they will tell you that the annexation of Texas by the United States was illegal and that Texas remains an independent nation under illegal occupationQuote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Your replies amount to a broken record based either on either vacuous ignorance, or hatred for the Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Your would have done well in the deep South of the USA in the segregation days.
I think the world doesn't need a Jewish nation anymore than it needs an Islamic nation. Heck, they could even annex Vatican to Italy and teach them to speak Italian instead of Latin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rani
If your native language was Yiddish and not Hebrew, then you IMO should speak Yiddish. If it was for example English, you should IMO speak English. Resurrecting dead languages is artificial like Dr Frankenstein resurrecting his monster.
I don't think there's any more reason to resurrect Hebrew than to resurrect Old English/Anglo-Saxon.