right ok. what a shame!
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right ok. what a shame!
Cheers
You can watch it online hereQuote:
Originally Posted by whereschris
http://racing.skai.gr/default.asp?pid=27
Thanks Pavlos!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pavlos_a
What's going on?!!! I'm just watching the coverage from this morning and it sounds like the commentator is on the phone - you can barely hear him. Is it just my recording?
Yup they sent that horrible audio out for million to hear.............
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!
Just watched a later repeat and they have the fixed the audio - not the commentary though!
There is only one word suitable to describe their footage and that is "bulls**t."
I used to look forward to watching each rally. I will just read the results on the net from now on I think. More exciting that way.
Day 2 slightly better... but then it couldn't get any worse ...
Good interview the head of Petter Solberg WRT :)
I joined that forum and posted this:
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I only joined this forum because of the horrible coverage I saw. I have been watching WRC since about 2000 when the coverage became available on the internet because as a US rally fan, its what you had to do. It's essentially still what I have to do. If the coverage was available through the proper channels, then I would gladly be a part of that. But media in the 21st century still tries to hold onto, (or is fumbling around trying to figure it out perhaps), with 20th century business models. What a shame. All that suffers is the culture that you aspired to make your income from as they are left confused and misinformed, or just uninformed at the end of the day. So gossip ensues on message board forums, and no one has any better idea of what the big picture is.
Do yourself a favor and fork out whatever money you have to spend on
A) A knowledgble camera crew and photography director
It is always important for the viewer to want to be a part of the images onscreen when watching a sporting event. It instills the passion and comraderie that makes any sport a success. If they want to be there, surely thy will watch again and again. Additionally rallysport is probably among the most photogenic sporting events on the planet. A simple combination of the sensiblities of John Frankenheimer and Ansel Adams would make the footage a sheer joy to witness.
B) A good footage editor
No great movie has ever gotten that way without someone to assemble the footage in the cutting room at the end of the day. Every great director from Steven Spielberg to John Huston knew it was a good idea to make the editor your best friend. Since we are talking about a visual medium here, the principles remain the same. If you have the best shots from a stage, the most dynamic footage of a jump, crash, crowd reaction, etc, no of it will matter of the timing of each of those moments is not gracefully assembled into a story that the viewing audience can identify with, want to be a part or, or be pulled into.
C) A commentator
Without a voice to interpret what is onscreen in a clear, concise, well informed commentary, the viewing audience will be not likely to return to what they are watching whether the material is downloaded, streaming, or aired. More importantly, the commentator is looked upon as the icon to which the fan refers to other would-be fans for interpretation, news, insight, etc. They should be as identifiable not only to the viewing audience, but perhaps even moreso to the drivers, crews, team principals etc.
F1 had Murray Walker, American baseball had Ernie Harwell, boxing had Reg Gutteridge. At one point the WRC had Mark James and Jeremy Hart. Where are they now? THey had an obvious passion for the sport, it has been rather lacking in the past 5 years or more.
The WRC is an opportunity. It's like no other sport on the planet. From rally to rally you have the opportunity to immerse your audience in the local culture where each rally takes place. You have some of the most robust street legal machinery on public roads blasting around the world in the most diverse conditions any sport has to offer. You have multiple cultures working together to make a massive event possible, and in this very troubled world, that should be capitalized on.
What was the line from a James Bond movie? ".....and 007......try not to muck it up again."
Lucky I'm just about to watch Dave's coverage with Paul King soon.... yipee!
Or in other words... not the MotorsTV version. :)
They claimed they wanted to learn from their Sweden mistake although the outdoor coverage has increased very slightly it seems they learned nothing.
A string of onboard shots does not equal rallying coverage. I'm sorry but they have made very little progress. By the time the season is out the coverage might be slightly bearable at this rate.
I don't get this..... the Motors TV coverage isn't the best but the ISC coverage is hardly miles better.
In my opinion - I'd rather watch something of Quality ie ISC's coverage 24mins, than an hour or 43mins of MotorsTV's coverage that I only watched 7 mins of of Sweden, unbearable and then read the not so positive feedback re coverage from Mexico....
I thought it was okay... Day 2 was mostly decent. I liked the onboard of Seb in Day 3, but the mistake of showing Ogier's Day2 footage in SS21 is inexcusable. Seriously, that's just total incompetence.
You can watch the Mexico Highlights with North One coverage and Paul King here:
http://racing.skai.gr/default.asp?pid=27
MotorsTV Coverage yes? Might want to clarify this...Quote:
Originally Posted by serial jeff
Whoops, I forgot I was actually watching OneHD for Day 2. Don't know anything about day 2 on MotorsTV.
Even though the ISC/NorthOne coverage which is broadcast on ONE HD is miles better than MotorsTV, it's the same as last years... with some improvements!
They still do show the top 3 drivers, Loeb and Hirvonen of course but since the competition is heating up - and was very happy to see Oiger & Solberg fighting in there - it's became an interesting an exciting round to watch!
Coverage of the S-WRC is fantastic on each of the days..... but comparing it to the speed of the WRCars.... a bit slow on take offs and much easier for cameramen to track on turns.... haha (Watching IRC - and the S2000 cars there - they are quick... that's probably because we don't see WRCars racing in the same coverage too!)
Handy Cam's were OK but the HELMET CAM'S were the Best thing! Not only like being the driver but really good effect/perspective for the viewer! (But you can't see out the front window due to the lighting.... ughh)
Block coverage was well done and a good introduction for us all.... but the fact Paul King said "he's competing against the more experienced of Matt Wilson and Viagra" I think that was a silly choice of words because the more experienced is Solberg and Miko, J ML etc.....
They hardly showed any of Loeb or Mikko on the last day, rather concentrating on the Petter v Seb (Mk II) battle, which was the correct decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
I must admit I had both shows to watch but I chose to watch North One via ONE HD here in Australia as I thought there wasn't enough km's to fill Motors '1hr' show and I assumed it would just be heaps of boring in car stuff. For the record I tried to watch Motors on Day 1, but turned it off because of the sound. I did however watch Day 2 on Motors and I was an improvement on Sweden, mainly due to them using the roof cam rather in car cam and covering more of the field.
Oh lord this was dissapointing! I had to register just to vent my frustration!
The commentater stated that Ken Block was reaching for an imaginary clutch, when he clearly was trying to get some revs using the CLUTCH.
I was also confused when Ogier slowed down at the last stage.... oh lord.
WRC on TV is totally ruined for me! How could WRC allow this?
It was as if the commentator watched the show for the first time, then commented it through a phone.
The amount of external footage is not going to increase. Motors is limited to five minutes of external footage per day. That's part of the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
Er, that's how TV works. When you see the pictures at home, that's when the commentator sees them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KinG^KaoZ
Is that more or less than the old Eurosport broadcasts??Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin
I don't know who is more stupid. Motors for actually signing a contract of that nature and thinking it would work - or North One for clearly caring so little about its audience that it holds a broadcaster to ransom with shoddy bits of footage. Basically no one wins from this scenario. And I mean no one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin
Motors gets jumped on for having a terrible show (and horrible idea). The WRC gets yet more bad tv coverage, only this time it doesn't even cater to their tin-pot sponsors. The teams barely get their cars/sponsors shown on the stages, which coincidentally is the EXACT point of them bothering to compete in the first place. The fans get tired/bored and switch off.
So if North One care so little that they wont even throw an interested broadcaster a bone - what does that say about them. Nothing we didn't already know I suppose.
And Tintin - errrr, I think you meant that's how live tv works. Not an hour of supposedly edited highlights. So think again...
I have to agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Sometimes a sport gets the coverage it deserves - this surely applies to the WRC. Third rate coverage for a third rate sport - and on a third rate channel. Harsh??? Probably..
Look what else MotorsTV cover; Mx, Enduro, Ice Racing, etc all good sports, but hardly 'major League'. Did any other channel want the WRC??
I also agree about NorthOne - really, if they are serious about promoting the sport - stop putting restrictions on what can be shown, and start giving the coverage away. TV companies aren't going to pay top dollar for a minority/ niche sport. Contrast the start of the F1 season with the WRC - professional coverage, not something almost amateurish.
It seems to me, all NorthOne are bothered about is making money. Sort the sporting side out including a proper calendar - then Manufacturers, sponsors, etc will surely follow.
Why is that? So what kind of contract is that if they are the new official broadcast partner?! LAMEQuote:
Originally Posted by tintin
Im not sure what you are trying to say here, its not live tv. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tintin
to watch them, i have found this link : http://www.icrawl.org/5658696538-wor...ave-highlights
I missed the first rally.. Didnt know eurosport is not covering anymore..
Motors tv isnt exactly a popular channel..
IRC might end up being more popular..
I dont understand 5min outside rule.. That is just insane..
in my link, you can download too Swedish Event ;)
Motors TV is making the poorest footage motorsport has probably ever seen.
Insane. If it does not get better I will be more than happy to wait for a few extra days to view the Eurosport stuff we know and love.
Motors TV are all either brainless or they cant be bothered signing a contract with 5 minutes outside footage. Whoever made the call to say 'Yes that's fine' is brainless...
Just watched Brazil's IRC round from EuroSport...
Review consisted of: Driver profiles, Tire manufacturer profile;
SS1,SS7,SS6 and then SS10 on day two also 2WD crash at the end..
Though only showing a few stages their coverage was much much better than MotorsTV to the WRC....!
Helicam's make the IRC/S2000 cars so fast and exciting to watch! Have you guys seen the in-car Driver vs Driver footage? Ie Meeke vs Wilks on one stage? It's a billion times better being able to see the difference between styles of driving, their speeds and actually how behind one driver is to the other in points of the road, turns, locations and timing on the stage. I would have to admit much better than silly Visual Spectator!
WRC is great in it's own right with ISC/N.O making their coverage but IRC is miles ahead of the MotorsTV coverage... and is much more exciting to watch and follow. But they should cover more stages in the review... but that's why there are the daily highlights and live coverage! Sooo.......
(Just a question... if anyone else follows the IRC - or perhaps to ask in that forum) why is there NO issue of Road Sweeping/Positioning in the IRC? They don't speak of it and they don't seem to have that issue as does the WRC....?
That split window with two drivers is perfect to really get the idea on where the drivers and cars differ - more of that also in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
If they add a bit telemetry data, and a simple sketch of the SS it would be perfect !
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
But then we will see how much more power the M1 cars have compared to the privateers. And I don't think that the factoryteams will allow us to see that.. ;)
Im not an expert, and Im not even sure what IRC is. But they mentioned that the other races that were going on PWRC and so on, had no problems because the WRC cars went first, eliminating road sweeping for the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
It is amazing how boring Motors TV are able to make a rally on TV. I dont need to see the drivers, I want to see the cars from the outside - end of story !
Yes, but if you've read this thread at all you'll know that they are not allowed to do that by the WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Given the material they are allowed to show, and the other restrictions placed upon them, they are doing pretty well.
Motors TV can only go with what they're given. Blame NorthOneSport - why on earth do they have those cameras looking back at the drivers, they're useless!! Show us the stages - and give us more stageside action!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Agreed!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
This year didn't see any of the wrc coverages regularly.. Please bring it back to Eurosport..