Ironically he's picked up two separate speeding fines during practice :dozey:
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Ironically he's picked up two separate speeding fines during practice :dozey:
Well, he needs to take that onto the track! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
ClarkFan
Hang on. Raikkonen had a whole winter to get up to speed with the Sauber. Luca's had 3 hours so far and he's already halved the gap to Kimi (who i might add was 1.3 seconds off the lead himself).Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Slowly but surely he's dialling himself in. I think he'll make it through Q1 after a solid hour of practice in the morning.
Oh, Ioan, you should be ashamed of yourself. He's been with your team for a decade and you're running him into the ground, it's just not on.
And what about Jaime Algae-something? He did himself respectful in HungaryQuote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
No need for that Vietnam War mentality saying everything smells fine in the jungle, when in fact it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
Disappointing performance but not at all hopeless.
Practice don't mean anything, I am sure he will do a great job tomorrow :D
I wish him well. As someone said, he is a loyal Ferrari worker and deserves sympathy at least.
His struggles really do highlight a poor interface between the "no testing" regime and third drivers. How is a replacement driver to have a chance if they have hardly been in the car, or in the case of small teams, never been in the car at all? If Badoer were really as slow as he showed today, he would have been useless to Ferrari as a test driver - he would never have gotten the cars close enough to the limit to provide insight about their performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Just another argument for allowing testing at race sites, before or after the race weekend, with the 3rd drivers doing the testing. Teams would get real miles with new configurations and potential replacement drivers would get seat time.
ClarkFan
As suspected, Badoer is struggling in a contemporary Formula One competition. Still can't see him making through Q1. But if he does, it would be quite a remarkable progress.
i accept your apology.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
no charade, i have accepted the info posted by Tamb with good grace. i'll discuss matters Ferrari with Garry and Tamb in the future seeing as they can be relied upon to discuss rather than just play for points scoring opportunities, even if they can get just as heated as anyone esle here
no fun poked - just a question you never answered - there is nothing more dangerous than 2 sides who know they are right ;) . my apologies for not reading every post on every thread looking for an answer someone else gave to a question.
thanks for fully reading my post and responding in the gracious manner i fully expect from you
i am a bit surprised he is so slow - i didn't expect much, but maybe a little more than this - that said, new track for him (i assume), no time in a car in 2009, perhaps it was best to get through today learning the track and not binning it. if he fails to build up speed through tomoorw and the race then that is disappointing and perhaps Piquet or Bordais should have been given the chance - i have no doubt they'd be quicker on the friday, lets see if he can improve over the weekend.
everyone would be condemning him if he binned it and damaged the car and lost track time
Like I said before, Alguersuari was last, last and 18th in Hungary practice. Buemi was 19th, 10th and 12th or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Jaime did do well in Hungary, but what I'm saying is Luca has driven 3 hours in a racing car in about 6-8 months, and he's already halved the gap to his team-mate. Alguersuari has been racing all year so he should at least be up to some sort of speed straight away.
Luca has had to contend with learning the track, the car, and getting used to driving quickly again, which is probably what every driver has to do in winter testing. Even then they have only been out for a month or two.
I recall a couple of Ferrari drivers that didn't make it out of Q1. Who were they? Hmm, let me see, let me see . . . oh yeah, Felipe and Kimi.
Ole Luca ain't half bad only 1.3 off Kimi after one day.
According to Autosport he got 4 of them pit lane speeding fines!Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
He was actually 7th fastest through the speed trap which means he is worryingly slow while cornering.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClarkFan
They showed a superposed comparison with Nakajima and it was obvious that Badoer was unable to carry enough speed through the corner. :\
First you'll have to wait for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
I'm still willing to offer him the benefit of the doubt after an improved FP2 session. He's now 1.3 off the pace and he is certainly not been given any extra miles (in fact he did two laps less than Kimi) so I'd hope to see him close to within 0.5-0.8 secs of Kimi by qualifying.
I'm waiting til after the race to judge his performance. To be fair, it's a tall ask to be thrown in the car with no testing and expect him to be instantly on the pace. If he stays out of trouble and maybe sneaks a point or two he'll have done his job.
The car doesn't seem fast enough to be challenging for wins this weekend, and a level head and consistent performance will do just fine if the race gets a little chaotic (it's a street circuit so who knows!)
In one corner on the approach to which Luca overcooked it. By the end he was noticeably quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
IMO Valencia is actually a difficult track to judge drivers' relative speed. It looked like everyone was going slowly today :p
He pretty much overcooked every corner otherwise he wouldn't have lost on average one tenth per corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by woody2goody
i doubt they missed FP2 because of their driving ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by keysersoze
Badoer on the other hand is miles away from his teammate.
Kimi is quick,Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
quick enough to win the WCC
quick enough to challenge MSC until his cars failed him
quick enough to get 2nd in Hungary this year
out of all the criticism of Kimi this year, not being quick is not one of them
POST OF THE CENTURY lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I do agree that we don't need to give Badoer a break. Ferrari made the decision to use him, although bourdais, NPJr, Liuzzi, Klien, Sato, Davidson, were available. All would have been miles faster than badoer.
It was Ferrari's decision to install him and thus should be judged accordingly.
F1 isn't a training ground or a developmental league. I am sorry that there is no in season testing, so judgments have to be made with that in mind. I believe it was slight arrogance by Ferrari about thee quality of their car to assume you could simply put in anyone and they would do the job. this isn't the same top car that salo stepped in for schumi. They needed to make a wise decision about that seat that might have produced a good result but chose poorly... both times.
make that 4 , and was called in for a chat the 4th timeQuote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
wishful thinking pinoQuote:
Originally Posted by pino
I predict he'll have an incident in Qualy, trying to push to hard and either overshooting the apex or a shunt. and then there';s the race with 19 other cars out there on a tight track with leaders 3 seconds a lap faster than you
Those being harsh on Badoer are rushing to judgement.
Valencia is not a circuit to excercise finding the car's limits because there are walls everywhere. Badoer is having to learn a new circuit as well as the car and acclimatize himself to the pressure of a grand prix weekend - and it is a very different world to that of even 1999.
He was almost 2.5 sec slower than Raikonnen in Practice 1 and after Practice 2 was more than a second or so away from him.
Maybe things will click tomorrow and even if he does not get through Q3 maybe during the race he will begin to feel comfortable.
Remember he is not a new "future star" but a test driver standing in for an injured teammate. So don't judge him by the same measure.
It is good that he has Schumi in his pit, he is also well aware that his results are not great - and unfotunately there are many people around in f1 that are resentful he got the drive and will of course make jokes at Badoer's expense.
But with Schumi as his racing confidante and the support of Ferrari, who cares what ANYONE else thinks.
Badoer is the one chosen to be the Ferrari race driver and that is the sweetest thing of all!
KImi...........................Chianti????Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Surely you jest. :p :
For goodness sake - give the guy a break. He's got Arthritis. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
He probably can also walk on water (or is that vodka?)!Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Have to love the fanboy comments, they are really funny stuff! :D
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Good one! :up:
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
huh, yeah, whatever, i thought i'd take a leaf from your book so i didn't really read your post, just assumed
Next time you should read before answering! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
why? in my reality you've apologised, it doesn't matter one bit what you wrote
back on topic - Luca admits he's not quick enough yet, but its going in the right direction and at least he kept it out of the wall.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77844
Maybe you'll tel us one day what you smoke!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
FP3 done:
:\Code:14. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) 1:40.260 + 1.117
20. Badoer Ferrari (B) 1:42.198 + 3.055
I think that Badoer will do well if he beats Jaime, the only driver he will be able possibly (but unlikely) to beat today IMO. But I think that the crimson car is simply not working here and for Kimi Q3 would be surprising as well, IMO.
So, now it's the car that is bad not Badoer. Well he's still TWO seconds slower than Kimi.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
will they keep Badoer for the next races if he doesn't improve a lot in the next sessions?
in the 3 or 2 line comparison that they showed during the FPs it was clear how slow he was trough the corners... honestly I was expecting him to be a lot slower than KIMI, but not that much, in all 3 FPs... I was expecting more like 0.5s not 1s+