M.Hirvonen this year champion?

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5th October 2009, 09:25
N.O.T

Can someone remind me when was the last time the title went to rally GB abd was decided by speed solely ?? Thats right....

Its the most unpredictable rally of the season so i guess the first who runs into problems loses.
5th October 2009, 09:50
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by snellman

don't forget it will be harder for loeb. mikko's got a very fast wingman on gravel too :)

Who will lose time through mistakes 80% of the time.
5th October 2009, 11:14
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Can someone remind me when was the last time the title went to rally GB abd was decided by speed solely ?? Thats right....

Its the most unpredictable rally of the season so i guess the first who runs into problems loses.

Not sure I'd agree with that any more. It was the most unpredictable, not so much any more with the same stages used year after year. Plus the earlier date this year, so much less chance of fog, snow, ice. It would be really interesting if it was an old style 'RAC'.
5th October 2009, 11:19
WRCfan

If Mikko's wingman stays on the road and Mikko can keep good pace I see no reason why he can't be World champ. He has the speed, he has the determination for sure. If there is a time he will dig deep then it is GB.

Hope to see it change hands this year, would be good for the sport to see a new name on top for once.
5th October 2009, 11:27
Mihai

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Originally Posted by snellman

don't forget it will be harder for loeb. mikko's got a very fast wingman on gravel too :)

I don't think the fast wingman (aka JML) has any significance in the title showdown. Hirvonen only needs to finish in front of Loeb to win the title. Loeb is in the same position - he needs a Top 8 result, if he finishes ahead of Hirvonen he wins the title (even on equal points).

So, Hirvonen has to beat Loeb on speed or on fewer mistakes under pressure. JML would be a key player only if Hirvonen is out (or way down the order) and he along with 7 other Ford entries might prevent Seb from scoring points.

How about Ford entering 15 latest-spec Focuses WRC and offering a drive to capable out-of-action drivers like Gronholm, Wilks, Meeke, Duval, Gardemeister, Atkinson, PG, Rantanen, Carlsson, Gwyndaf Evans and tell them to drive like mad frogs in order to fill the top 8 places with Blue Oval-badged cars ? :D
5th October 2009, 11:35
Psycho!

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Originally Posted by Mihai

How about Ford entering 15 latest-spec Focuses WRC and offering a drive to capable out-of-action drivers like Gronholm, Wilks, Meeke, Duval, Gardemeister, Atkinson, PG, Rantanen, Carlsson, Gwyndaf Evans and tell them to drive like mad frogs in order to fill the top 8 places with Blue Oval-badged cars ? :D

Ooooooo!!!With all the pieces that they will leave behind we are going to make a brand new Focus WRC for free!!!Damn it...I won't be there.... :D
5th October 2009, 12:07
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by WRCfan

If Mikko's wingman stays on the road and Mikko can keep good pace I see no reason why he can't be World champ. He has the speed, he has the determination for sure. If there is a time he will dig deep then it is GB.

Hope to see it change hands this year, would be good for the sport to see a new name on top for once.

The best, quickest driver is the one who should be Champion. That man is Loeb - who has been a little unlucky this year, but has still won the most events. Unfortunately, because of lack of competition, silly Gravel biased calendar Mikko could end up winning the Title. While not taking anything away from Mikko, it will leave people scratching their heads how Loeb hasn't won.
5th October 2009, 12:20
bluuford

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

The best, quickest driver is the one who should be Champion. That man is Loeb - who has been a little unlucky this year, but has still won the most events. Unfortunately, because of lack of competition, silly Gravel biased calendar Mikko could end up winning the Title. While not taking anything away from Mikko, it will leave people scratching their heads how Loeb hasn't won.

To make three major mistakes in a row in 12 events calendar.. I respect Loeb a lot but I think Mikko should be 2009 Champion already. That off that caused his puncture in Sardinia and later soft timepenalty -5 points, that Polish game when Novikov traded some tests for Finland while Loeb passed him and Rautenbach having a chat with beautiful Polish girls while Loeb passed him as well resulted -2 more points, bravery by Malcom not to ask Jari-Matti to give his first place to Mikko -2 points. That means difference by now should have been 10 points Mikko in front.
If Loeb wins then I remember this year as a year when Mr Team Order became a champion :-)
5th October 2009, 13:35
jens

It's going to be a really exciting showdown! :D Have a sneaky feeling that it really won't be a battle until the last SS with overall time within a few seconds, but someone will have hit at least slight trouble earlier...
5th October 2009, 13:36
Juha_Koo

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Originally Posted by bluuford

To make three major mistakes in a row in 12 events calendar.. I respect Loeb a lot but I think Mikko should be 2009 Champion already. That off that caused his puncture in Sardinia and later soft timepenalty -5 points, that Polish game when Novikov traded some tests for Finland while Loeb passed him and Rautenbach having a chat with beautiful Polish girls while Loeb passed him as well resulted -2 more points, bravery by Malcom not to ask Jari-Matti to give his first place to Mikko -2 points. That means difference by now should have been 10 points Mikko in front.
If Loeb wins then I remember this year as a year when Mr Team Order became a champion :-)

Agreed 110 percent! :)

PS. Yes, I know I'm a Finn and therefore somewhat biased. But I've never been a huge Mikko fan due to his "we'll do our best and see what happens" -attitude. Still, I hope that Mikko wins the championship.
5th October 2009, 13:39
cali

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Originally Posted by bluuford

To make three major mistakes in a row in 12 events calendar.. I respect Loeb a lot but I think Mikko should be 2009 Champion already. That off that caused his puncture in Sardinia and later soft timepenalty -5 points, that Polish game when Novikov traded some tests for Finland while Loeb passed him and Rautenbach having a chat with beautiful Polish girls while Loeb passed him as well resulted -2 more points, bravery by Malcom not to ask Jari-Matti to give his first place to Mikko -2 points. That means difference by now should have been 10 points Mikko in front.
If Loeb wins then I remember this year as a year when Mr Team Order became a champion :-)

Not that these kind of things has not happened before
5th October 2009, 13:42
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluuford

To make three major mistakes in a row in 12 events calendar.. I respect Loeb a lot but I think Mikko should be 2009 Champion already. That off that caused his puncture in Sardinia and later soft timepenalty -5 points, that Polish game when Novikov traded some tests for Finland while Loeb passed him and Rautenbach having a chat with beautiful Polish girls while Loeb passed him as well resulted -2 more points, bravery by Malcom not to ask Jari-Matti to give his first place to Mikko -2 points. That means difference by now should have been 10 points Mikko in front.
If Loeb wins then I remember this year as a year when Mr Team Order became a champion :-)

nice nickmane you have there...very unbiased opinion thank you

what about fords tactics? or they didn;t use any this year ??
5th October 2009, 13:56
ShiftingGears

I don't know why Latvala comes into the picture at all. All Loeb needs to do is score one more point than Hirvonen and he will win the championship.
5th October 2009, 15:13
Brother John

Let the party start already. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animated/anim_65.gif
Only we don´t know yet who will be the party driver! :D
5th October 2009, 16:43
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Agreed 110 percent! :)

PS. Yes, I know I'm a Finn and therefore somewhat biased. But I've never been a huge Mikko fan due to his "we'll do our best and see what happens" -attitude. Still, I hope that Mikko wins the championship.

So to be a quitter its a national thing over there....i thought it was only mikko
5th October 2009, 17:50
Helstar

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Loeb - who has been a little unlucky this year

If you crash multiple times having your mind on F1 then it's not "unluck".
5th October 2009, 18:35
jimakos

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Originally Posted by Helstar

If you crash multiple times having your mind on F1 then it's not "unluck".

That's true,can't agree more with this opinion :up: :up: :up:
5th October 2009, 18:59
Woodeye

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

So to be a quitter its a national thing over there....i thought it was only mikko

It amazes me how a nation of quitters have many world champions while over there where you still think that you are something since some guy there had a thought something like 5000 years ago have none. Now isn't that odd?
5th October 2009, 21:38
A.F.F.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

So to be a quitter its a national thing over there....i thought it was only mikko

It always beats sheepshagging. :)
5th October 2009, 22:27
N.O.T

no it doesn;t
5th October 2009, 22:36
Juha_Koo

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

So to be a quitter its a national thing over there....i thought it was only mikko

Don't you dare to call Finns quitters. :rolleyes: Not only we have fought and achieved major achievements in rallying, but also in war, science and politics. It's a thing called sisu.

What a nationalistic posting this was! :D Sorry.
5th October 2009, 22:58
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

no it doesn;t

Obviously you have tried both of them quitting and sheep-shagging so I just have to take your word of it :up:
6th October 2009, 07:27
Psycho!

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluuford

To make three major mistakes in a row in 12 events calendar.. I respect Loeb a lot but I think Mikko should be 2009 Champion already. That off that caused his puncture in Sardinia and later soft timepenalty -5 points, that Polish game when Novikov traded some tests for Finland while Loeb passed him and Rautenbach having a chat with beautiful Polish girls while Loeb passed him as well resulted -2 more points, bravery by Malcom not to ask Jari-Matti to give his first place to Mikko -2 points. That means difference by now should have been 10 points Mikko in front.
If Loeb wins then I remember this year as a year when Mr Team Order became a champion :-)

Man you forgot the most recent events!!!!Sordo gave Loeb the victory in Spain!!!So 12 points!!I just hope that justice will be given in Wales...
6th October 2009, 07:30
Maui J.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

It always beats sheepshagging. :)

Wow! Are the Greeks sheepshaggers too?!!
I thought it was just some lonely Kiwi males and sometimes Carlos Sainz!!!!
6th October 2009, 08:36
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by Psycho!

Man you forgot the most recent events!!!!Sordo gave Loeb the victory in Spain!!!So 12 points!!I just hope that justice will be given in Wales...

Loeb would've done exactly the same if the roles were reversed, as would any good teammate.
6th October 2009, 09:10
Psycho!

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

Loeb would've done exactly the same if the roles were reversed, as would any good teammate.

My point is that Sordo was faster on tarmac than the multiple champion and tarmac specialist Loeb! ;)
6th October 2009, 10:24
Gard

I don't think Mikko will have any problems keeping Loeb behind in GB.
6th October 2009, 10:25
tmx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihai

I don't think the fast wingman (aka JML) has any significance in the title showdown. Hirvonen only needs to finish in front of Loeb to win the title. Loeb is in the same position - he needs a Top 8 result, if he finishes ahead of Hirvonen he wins the title (even on equal points).

So, Hirvonen has to beat Loeb on speed or on fewer mistakes under pressure. JML would be a key player only if Hirvonen is out (or way down the order) and he along with 7 other Ford entries might prevent Seb from scoring points.

How about Ford entering 15 latest-spec Focuses WRC and offering a drive to capable out-of-action drivers like Gronholm, Wilks, Meeke, Duval, Gardemeister, Atkinson, PG, Rantanen, Carlsson, Gwyndaf Evans and tell them to drive like mad frogs in order to fill the top 8 places with Blue Oval-badged cars ? :D

Would be fun to watch. Ford did that in the late 60s with their GT40 was their strategy to win LeMans.
6th October 2009, 11:17
AndyRAC

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Originally Posted by Psycho!

My point is that Sordo was faster on tarmac than the multiple champion and tarmac specialist Loeb! ;)

I wouldn't read too much into the pace of Loeb - he was driving at a safe, but fast enough pace to beat the Fords. Dani was making a point.....
6th October 2009, 11:24
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho!

My point is that Sordo was faster on tarmac than the multiple champion and tarmac specialist Loeb! ;)

tarmac specialist ....nice

Loeb was GRAVEL french champion before he started his career in the wrc...the fact that he dominated ontarmac doesn;t make someone specialist....
6th October 2009, 13:02
Cloverleaf

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

tarmac specialist ....nice
...the fact that he dominated ontarmac doesn;t make someone specialist...

:D
6th October 2009, 14:27
blissard

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Originally Posted by Gard

I don't think Mikko will have any problems keeping Loeb behind in GB.

And Petter will have no problem keeping them both behind :D
6th October 2009, 14:33
Gard

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Originally Posted by blissard

And Petter will have no problem keeping them both behind :D

:D That up to Citroen ;)
6th October 2009, 15:25
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

tarmac specialist ....nice

Loeb was GRAVEL french champion before he started his career in the wrc...the fact that he dominated ontarmac doesn;t make someone specialist....

Is there gravel roads in France? :D
6th October 2009, 15:36
jparker

This year the titles are for Mikko, and Citroen.
6th October 2009, 15:38
jimakos

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Originally Posted by jparker

This year the titles are for Mikko, and Citroen.

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
6th October 2009, 17:48
StevieWonder

Mikko can do it,
Mikko will do it !!!
6th October 2009, 18:35
alexlake

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I wouldn't read too much into the pace of Loeb - he was driving at a safe, but fast enough pace to beat the Fords. Dani was making a point.....

very true, he was always going to win, an he wouldnt have pushed too hard. just hard enough :)
6th October 2009, 20:23
Psycho!

NEWSFLASH:We may take a sense of the Grand Finale during the Cambrian Rally,where Loeb will take part and possibly Mikko...Heart bits are increasing steadily....
6th October 2009, 20:29
Brynmor Pierce

Mikko is running course car (confirmed) and it's believed 2 Citroens may appear...(speculation)

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