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Just a mention for Gascoyne, who i thought did a great job and its good to see him around the paddock again. I think it would be quite useful to have someone like him who is knowledgeable about F1 and the setup behind it and so on, partenring DC and Jake. I personally like Eddie, but it would be good to maybe have a Ron Dennis or a Jean Todt (not necessarily them two but someone with similar expertise) as someone who will have a good insight that can be provided for the fans back home.
Give me Mike any day over EJ, the commentary was significantly better and more on the money.
I hope the BBC realise how better there show is with Mike.
Oh god Eddie's back and being annoying. Give us Mike Gascoigne!!
I was listening to Anthony Davidson on the BBC's channel 301 yesterday and I thought we was really good.
Shame he's not driving, but I liked his style of commentary, which I thought was quite similar to that of Martin Brundle.
I missed the verbal punch-up between Eddie Jordan and DC after Q1... was it good? :D
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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
Just friggin' hilarious man! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
I know that most of you are fed up with this behaviour and style from EJ, but I thoroughly enjoy EJ making an arse of himself. He actually apologised to DC for trying to defend Sutil's move on Webber in Q1 :rotflmao:
I worry a bit about Jonathan Legard. As I have said before on here, I think he's a really professional sports broadcaster, but the BBC could have saved itself this very awkward period in which Legard is trying — often unsuccessfully — to stop himself being an unnecessarily verbose radio commentator on TV by just hiring Ben Edwards.
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Originally Posted by I am evil Homer
I think that Legard is slowly improving session by session, but for today I'll be trying the Five Live coverage - worth it for Ant alone - and recording the BBC One audio for later.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Incidentally, I've currently got the Sports Multiscreen up in addition to a 2nd TV for onboards and am enjoying two screens of the London Marathon, a replay of Qualifying and classic snooker frames - as well as typing this. I may need more eyes... :dozey:
But then you'll have to listen to David Croft, who is so up the arse of a certain team that I'm sure he's been rimmed by Whitmarsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
Legard is far more objective.
EJ is better this week, not so argumentative. If he forgot his line of coke or whatever he prepares himself with previously then all the better for it. :up:
Bias on the part of sports commentators is so often in the eye/ear of the beholder, I find.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I thought Legard has improved a lot recently, I can't think of a point where I got particularly annoyed with him.
The thing that gets me is that him, Brundle, the pit guys always refer to the wrong car! I have a TV feed in front of me and I assume they do too, so why the mistake? They often seem to miss things that the viewers pick up on.
We were sitting here with three screens and managed to pick up on a lot of stuff that the commentators missed. I ended up with TV audio and was quite surprised how often they didn't seem to know what was going on.
Everything else was - as usual - excellent.
No complaints here!
I think some of you are too picky. DC and EJ are great, Martin and John get on quite well, and the services rendered by the BBC are phenomenal. Can only get better by every race.
another good coverage by the beeb.
Interesting though on what coulthard said, I dont seem to remember his brakes failing in Bahrain in 2003. (It was 2004)
apart from that very good, except from the pink shirt clash betwenn DC and JH!
Agree completely. After putting up with the ITV shambles for so long, we ought to be grateful that this standard of coverage is available to us, never mind asking for more.Quote:
Originally Posted by gloomyDAY
I like the BBC coverage and have no complaints.
Sometimes the commentators don't seem to have a clue what's happening but much better than ITV.
It would be good to have Ant and big Ben on the team but no worries from me :)
I was embarrassed listening when Brundle and Legard didn't know the difference between the Prime and Option tyres (the harder compound is always the "Prime", FTR - the McLaren team radio told Hamilton the Prime was a second-a-lap slower than the Option, twice, slowly and clearly, and asked him if he wanted the Option... and Brundle took it that the Prime was the super-soft, and went on to a long discussion based on the medium being faster. It wasn't until after Hamilton had actually made his stop, 15 minutes+ later, and come out with the green-striped tyres that they realised the mistake). I can understand them perhaps missing a detail on-track, or some of the more esoteric terminology, but that's pretty basic...
[After that, I tried to change to the 5L commentary, but it wasn't available with the main picture feed on Freeview because the snooker was on...]
Yes, that was pretty bad. I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Somebody
I was so confused, but I couldn't believe Brundle was making such a basic elementary mistake. I mean, it's pretty standard and widely used.
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Originally Posted by christophulus
To be fair they do have the live feed, but they also have 4 or 5 other screens, and have to talk throughout it as well.
I also often see them missing obvious points, and in particularly I find Martin seems to make a lot more mistakes than previously, but I think thats partly down to the fact he has now become more of a lead commentator whereas before he was the second commentator.
I have to say that, as every race passes, so the coverage improves.
They are clearly still finding their feet, but it is a different world to ITV, who, in turn, were in a leage of their own above the original BBC coverage.
I enjoy the very well informed commentary and insight from Ant on the practice sessions on line. He is a very talented guy, and personally, he ought to be in the box with Martin. I'm not dissing Leggard however.
Dc and Jake are very good, EJ is only average for me - but I don't like him full stop. I enjoyed Mike's knowledge and input last week - hint hint Beeb.....
The BBC certainly seem to have better access to team staff than ITV ever did, or is it just that the BBC anchor team are always in the thick of it.
Anyway, top marks for a good service that is clearly on the up. :up:
I have really enjoyed BBC's coverage. Jake has turned out to be a great presenter and very knowledgeable. I especially liked the grid walk in China. Is was very slick how all the presenters were stood on the grid and Brundle got DC to go with him. :up:
Partly due to them still broadcasting more than 15 minutes after the end of the race perhaps, must be easier to get those interviews once everyone has finished their main jobs for the weekend. But I think you're right even earlier in the weekend. I couldn't believe they had managed to get Norbert Haug to do that interview with Martin showing the components of the Merc KERS system on camera.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
BBC did another great job, F1 forum afterwards was brilliant, good to see them grabbing the likes of Ross Brawn to come and talk to them about the race and teams and stuff.
For those of you who don't have freeview or access to the red button (like me when i'm down in the south of UK), They always put the red button coverage on the BBC sport website,. There you can watch the grand prix with either 5 live commentary or tv commentary, and access to the f1 forum afterwards too.
I tried 5 live commentary for the first time this weekend, and i have to admit i was impressed. Ant and David did a great job, and holly was very informative from the pits. I download their F1 podcasts, which are thoroughly recommended too :up: As for the TV commentary, i do feel that Jon and Martin get on better now and their commentary is better together, but they do make some glaring ommissions of things going on, and they need to improve that and pick up on the improtant things. At one point they had no idea where Kimi had come out after his pit stop, you could hear both of them debating where he had come out.
They were also a few minutes late in realising that Button had effectively taken the lead of the race by passing the Toyotas in first round of pit stops.
Despite all these minor flaws I'm still really happy with the BBC's coverage, thinking back to how bad ITV was puts it all in perspective :)
And completely failed to mention that Glock had taken the lead at the start!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
But Brundle & Davidson both do the same role. You need an expert summariser and a commentator.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Commentary wasn't great yesterday, it must be said.
I assumed they must have mentioned it but I'd failed to hear it when I was looking at the live timing or something... I guess not :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I do generally agree with the positive impressions of the BBC's coverage though. While the race commentary wasn't the best this time round, I've found the BBC coverage very enjoyable overall and a definite step forward compared to what we've had before.
I was under the impression that Trulli was in front near the start of the race, and was wondering what they were going on about when they later said it was Glock!
I must have missed them saying it too, unless they did actually get it wrong or not say it at all!
No, I saw it on the TV coverage. Glock overtook Trulli off the start. It was as clear as day to see. I saw it, and the timing system saw it too as they had him in front. But it was a few laps later that Brundle mentioned 'syncronised swimming' between the Toyotas. That's as maybe but they should have seen the fact that the pole sitter wasn't leading away from the start!Quote:
Originally Posted by Triumph
I don't doubt what actually happened, I was doubting what was or wasn't said by the commentators! :-)
I think I assumed it was Trulli because I didn't hear otherwise. I was concentrating on Button and Hamilton, so probably missed a load of other details too!
The commentary I was listening to was fantastic, but then I was listening to the Radio 5 commentary which is leagues ahead of the standard TV feed, you have David Croft who also did ITV4's GP2 commentary last year & Anthony Davidson who is not only extremely insightful (to the point of making Martin Brundle sound out of touch) but is always prepared to explain technical jargon in easy to understand terms. God bless the red button!Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
In all seriousness though, I think a switcheroony needs to be done on the BBC commentary, stick Leggard on Radio 5 Live (a medium he always excelled through, I feel his style isnt that well suited to TV) & for sheer comedy give him Mark Blundell as a co-commentator and stick Croft, Davidson & Brundle on the TV, this dynamic worked well a while back when James Allen, Martin Brundle & Jenson Button commentated on the Monaco GP (because BAR had been banned for 2 races for trying to deceive scrutineers by using fuel as ballast).
Otherwise I think the BBC Coverage is fab because of:
i) no advert breaks
ii) Jake, David & Eddie are starting to work well together, though use Mike Gascoigne on a more permanent basis, I thought he was great in China.
iii) Have I mentioned the lack of advert breaks ruining the rhythm of the race?
iv) The Red Button giving a choice of commentary (TV, Radio 5 or the rather decent CBBC commentary which is a great idea to make it more accessible for youngsters), in car channel and extra info panels. ITV offered nothing even close to this, they just offered profit making phone in competitions where the prize was always a blatant product placement for some sponsor or other.
v) Live & Replayed Practice sessions with full commentary service on Friday & Saturday, accessed via the red button or indeed on the website if for some odd reason you dont have digital. This gives the practice in full, offering more insight into the teams preperations for the weekend and developments on the cars, highlighted this season by a lack of testing outside GP weekends. It has become a ritual for me when I get home from work on a Friday of a GP weekend to stick on the replayed coverage of these sessions.
vi) There are no adverts or interruptions of any other kind, including plugs for Coronation Street.
vii)The BBC have had the sense to retain Martin's gridwalk, one of the few innovations that ITV got right (others that werent quite as successful included Beverley Turner looking at the glam side of the sport which backfired massively with her getting immensely bitter about the workings of a sport she has no understanding of and writing a sodding book about it).
viii) No companies trying to sell you a razor, dog food or any other crap whilst your trying to watch the GP.
Everyone knows my opinion about Davidson, but he is a pretty good commentator along the other guys on fridays, quite enjoyable to listen, even though the other guys (whatever their names are) sometimes show their lack of knowledge of F1.
Isn't it Ian Phillips and Maurice Hamilton on Fridays? I doubt they could be accused of lacking knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Because both of them have worked in the sport for nigh on 40 years.