Mosley 'knows' who set him up

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Originally Posted by PSfan

I agree with Bagwan's assessmant of it, that it is also in the best interest of the FIA and anyone they elect as President to ensure this bs never happens again, so no, I don't see that scenario as Max using his position at the FIA solely for personal gains.

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AND there is no way Max is pursuing a noble cause. Everyone knows he's only trying to drag F1 down :down: :dozey:

Why don't the McCann's just drop off the face of the earth they won their ruling. Oh yea' they lost a daughter, and then got dragged through hell by the tabloid press! :(

"Formula one boss Max Mosley and the father of Madeleine McCann are to give evidence to MPs in Westminster today.

The unlikely pairing will be questioned for the culture, media and sport committee's ongoing inquiry into press standards, privacy and libel inquiry.


Mr Mosley said in July 2008 "some newspapers literally ruin people's lives", adding that "more has to be done to stop this".

And Mr McCann and his wife were themselves the subject of unjustified claims about their alleged role in the disappearance, resulting in Express Newspapers paying them £550,000 over a libel case which ended in March 2008

It is also interested in "the interaction between the operation and effect of UK libel laws and press reporting" and "whether, in the light of recent court rulings, the balance between press freedom and personal privacy is the right one".
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/max...-19065200.html

Hurry, 2009 season, hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm bored s***less by the ramblings here!

I had an opinion about Max's exploits, but I have forgotten it pages ago!!

Amen, wmcot.

It's time to draw a line under Spygate, Spankygate, Cranegate, Canadianpitlanegate, Ferraritrafficlightgate, Glocklastlapconspiracytheorygate and all the other unpleasantness of the last couple of years.

Soon we'll have plenty of new scandals to keep us at each others' throats! :p

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It's time to draw a line under Spygate, Spankygate, Cranegate, Canadianpitlanegate, Ferraritrafficlightgate, Glocklastlapconspiracytheorygate and all the other unpleasantness of the last couple of years.

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I had an opinion about Max's exploits, but I have forgotten it pages ago!!

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Not hardly!
The last page has yet to be written!
Sorry if it doesn't fit your agenda boys! :dozey:

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

It's time to draw a line...

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Have a word with Max will you Dave :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7934438.stm

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Have a word with Max will you Dave :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7934438.stm

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It seems strange that someone like Max who admits that his family are appalled at his actions and that everyone considers him a figure of fun should do these things in the first place.

I don't know about you but I would never partake in activities that my family would be disgusted at.

Perhaps he should look in the Mirror a bit rather than trying to pin his shame on everyone else.

I do have sympathy that he wasn't breaking the law and was supposed to be behind closed doors but the fact remains, if it was so shamefull, considering he was a man in the public limelight, why take the risk? Perhaps that was part of the humiliation thrill for him and he's still playing it out?

What would be nice is to let this go now and for Max to stop publicising it.

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What would be nice is to let this go now and for Max to stop publicising it.

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Implying that this hearing Max participated in was for publicity is quite absurd.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

It seems strange that someone like Max who admits that his family are appalled at his actions and that everyone considers him a figure of fun should do these things in the first place.

I don't know about you but I would never partake in activities that my family would be disgusted at.

Perhaps he should look in the Mirror a bit rather than trying to pin his shame on everyone else.

I do have sympathy that he wasn't breaking the law and was supposed to be behind closed doors but the fact remains, if it was so shamefull, considering he was a man in the public limelight, why take the risk? Perhaps that was part of the humiliation thrill for him and he's still playing it out?

What would be nice is to let this go now and for Max to stop publicising it.

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Me neither, and dare I say majority wouldn't partake in activities which cause hurt to their families.

But he choose to, it was his moral judgement. You shouldn't punish someone for different moral judgement if it isn't against the law.

And to be fair, I think a large part of the publicity around it is from Max taking a lead in trying to stop tabloid papers from wrecking peoples lives by betraying their right to a private life, private sex life included.

I look at it this way, say for example the NOTW published a sex tape of say Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie having sex, its not illegal, nothing wrong, people would have an outcry about how it was against their right to privacy etc.

And rightly so, but when it happens to Max, people say he deserves it, he should have taken more care etc etc etc. Just looking for a way around to justify his invasion of privacy. When at end of the day it comes down to fact that we disapprove of what he has done. Its not socially accepted, and therefore its ok to invade his privacy.

And if we go down that word, trial by moral standards, its a slippery road downhill for society as a whole unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

And rightly so, but when it happens to Max, people say he deserves it, he should have taken more care etc etc etc. Just looking for a way around to justify his invasion of privacy. When at end of the day it comes down to fact that we disapprove of what he has done. Its not socially accepted, and therefore its ok to invade his privacy.

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I don't know if Brad and AJ are a couple or whatever. Don't follow the tabloids.

However, if one of these snotty little rags had of published some revealing photo's of their sex life, I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid, let alone it being a huge embarrassment to their family.

So, what you are saying is right. We judge Max by our morals to a degree and that's why he's so ashamed.

Human nature I'm afraid and something that's been going on since the dawn of time. In my day it was gossip, now it's libel and an invasion of privacy ;)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

I don't know if Brad and AJ are a couple or whatever. Don't follow the tabloids.

However, if one of these snotty little rags had of published some revealing photo's of their sex life, I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid, let alone it being a huge embarrassment to their family.

So, what you are saying is right. We judge Max by our morals to a degree and that's why he's so ashamed.

Human nature I'm afraid and something that's been going on since the dawn of time. In my day it was gossip, now it's libel and an invasion of privacy ;)

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I can't say I'm a big follower of celeb land, but I know the basics through flatmates leaving their magazines laying around etc.

And I think you doubt wrong. People would bat an eyelid. Magazines etc would pay a fortune to get hold of it. And no doubt it would make tabloid headlines.

Look at the success of Paris Hiltons sex tape.

And as he says in his video, he isn't ashamed of his actions. Personally I would feel differently, but you cannot judge someone on what you would do. That would be wrong.

In your day its gossip, but if that gossip puts you in a position where you could lose your job, and that the gossip happened in private and you did not want to exposed, and took appropriate action to keep it quiet, I think its fair to say its a definate invasion of privacy.

Just because its been going on since the dawn of time doesn't make it acceptable mate.

In afghanistan its common practice to stone women who cheat on their husbands etc, its been going on since the dawn of time. They get stoned (literally I'm refering to), because that culture accepts it, its ok to judge and physically harm someone for this. Thats the kind of route judging someone via morals and society norm can take.

I'm not saying we're witnessing something to that extreme, but the same principles on lesser extent, where majority seem to be happy for Max to be sacked for doing something against societies norm.

I can honestly say I find it increasingly worrying how people are happy for Max to lose his job over this. I find it appalling, more appalling than a man cheating on his wife tbh.

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Implying that this hearing Max participated in was for publicity is quite absurd.

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Perhaps, although the FIA President has made very clear his determination to fundamentally transform privacy laws in the UK.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

I can't say I'm a big follower of celeb land, but I know the basics through flatmates leaving their magazines laying around etc.

And I think you doubt wrong. People would bat an eyelid. Magazines etc would pay a fortune to get hold of it. And no doubt it would make tabloid headlines.

Look at the success of Paris Hiltons sex tape.

And as he says in his video, he isn't ashamed of his actions. Personally I would feel differently, but you cannot judge someone on what you would do. That would be wrong.

In your day its gossip, but if that gossip puts you in a position where you could lose your job, and that the gossip happened in private and you did not want to exposed, and took appropriate action to keep it quiet, I think its fair to say its a definate invasion of privacy.

Just because its been going on since the dawn of time doesn't make it acceptable mate.

In afghanistan its common practice to stone women who cheat on their husbands etc, its been going on since the dawn of time. They get stoned (literally I'm refering to), because that culture accepts it, its ok to judge and physically harm someone for this. Thats the kind of route judging someone via morals and society norm can take.

I'm not saying we're witnessing something to that extreme, but the same principles on lesser extent, where majority seem to be happy for Max to be sacked for doing something against societies norm.

I can honestly say I find it increasingly worrying how people are happy for Max to lose his job over this. I find it appalling, more appalling than a man cheating on his wife tbh.

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Are there any women here today......?

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

I can't say I'm a big follower of celeb land, but I know the basics through flatmates leaving their magazines laying around etc.

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Dont tell me. You had a joint once but never inhaled :D

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Dont tell me. You had a joint once but never inhaled :D

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I had a joint only last week - I couldn't get the leg of lamb to catch fire, let alone fit it into a Rizla......

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Perhaps, although the FIA President has made very clear his determination to fundamentally transform privacy laws in the UK.

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I stand corrected! Publicity for the common good is what I have suggested he is doing in my first post.
The latter response was to a comment I construed as being publicity for his personal gain, or vindication.

Lack of serious responses suggests to me that people know deep down I'm correct in my analysis of this.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Lack of serious responses suggests to me that people know deep down I'm correct in my analysis of this.

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Slow down big guy!
You haven’t even applied for membership to the "Sensible Seven" yet :p :
Johnny-come-lately ;)

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Slow down big guy!
You haven’t even applied for membership to the "Sensible Seven" yet :p :
Johnny-come-lately ;)

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I can fast track you however, as one of our distinguished members is on vacation :p :
Wait a second I haven’t heard from Bag's in a while!
Is he also on vacation :confused:

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

And as he says in his video, he isn't ashamed of his actions. Personally I would feel differently, but you cannot judge someone on what you would do. That would be wrong.

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Perhaps, but if Max is not ashamed of his actions, why the need for secrecy? Why the need to conceal his activities from his wife & family for more than 40yrs?

The BBC report says "The News of the World had taken his "dignity" and hurt his family. Surely if he's not ashamed of his behaviour there is no reason why that should be the case?

The bottom (sorry!) line is, as said by a friend of mine who has little interest in or knowledge of all of this, is that Max was caught. That's all. That's what he's griping about.

Blaming anyone and everyone for the circumstances he finds himself in is rather similar to blaming F1 teams for the money they spend, when FIA rule changes are one of the reasons for the rise in expenditure.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Perhaps, but if Max is not ashamed of his actions, why the need for secrecy? Why the need to conceal his activities from his wife & family for more than 40yrs?

The BBC report says "The News of the World had taken his "dignity" and hurt his family. Surely if he's not ashamed of his behaviour there is no reason why that should be the case?

The bottom (sorry!) line is, as said by a friend of mine who has little interest in or knowledge of all of this, is that Max was caught. That's all. That's what he's griping about.

Blaming anyone and everyone for the circumstances he finds himself in is rather similar to blaming F1 teams for the money they spend, when FIA rule changes are one of the reasons for the rise in expenditure.

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Why the need for secrecy?

Because its his private life, he has a right to keep it secret if its fully legal and he chooses to keep it quiet.

Are you saying that if your not ashamed of it, you should declare it public, and if tabloids choose it worthy, they should be allowed to publish it for their headlines?

Why did he conceal it against his wife? Because he was breaking a promise he made to her when they married. Thats why. Is it wrong? Depends, personally I'd say yes, but I'm objective enough to understand you should not sack someone for their moral judgements on a matter unrelated to their work.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Depends, personally I'd say yes, but I'm objective enough to understand you should not sack someone for their moral judgements on a matter unrelated to their work.

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I agree. He shouldn't be sacked for his personal life. For the sake of his dignity and the embarrassment it caused to his family he may have choosen to resign but that's a moral choice and morally, Max is found wanting.

What he should be sacked for is the way he has run F1 and the corrupt manner in which the commercial rights were frittered away and the backhand he received.

perhaps we can leave Hanky Panky and worry about what he has done against the good of the sport instead now?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Blaming anyone and everyone for the circumstances he finds himself in

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I just thought he was blaming the lady with the camera in her bra,
The NotW, and whoever it was that put her up to it.

Personally I'm believe the Anglo Mafia was behind this. :)

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Are you saying that if your not ashamed of it, you should declare it public, and if tabloids choose it worthy, they should be allowed to publish it for their headlines?

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No I'm not saying that because I fully agree he had a right to keep it secret, but saying he is not ashamed suggests this is something about which there was no reason for secrecy. That's different to saying he should have publicly declared his activities.

The reality is Max knew all along that his private life was something he had to keep secret because were it to be made public it would damage him privately and professionally, and it has. Despite that he appears to have taken no personal responsibility for what has happened.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Why did he conceal it against his wife? Because he was breaking a promise he made to her when they married. Thats why. Is it wrong? Depends, personally I'd say yes, but I'm objective enough to understand you should not sack someone for their moral judgements on a matter unrelated to their work.

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Is it entirely unrelated to his work though? We're talking about someone who was prepared to deceive those closest to him for decades. Knowing that, would you have full confidence and trust in someone prepared to behave in that way?

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Originally Posted by Tazio

I can fast track you however, as one of our distinguished members is on vacation :p :
Wait a second I haven’t heard from Bag's in a while!
Is he also on vacation :confused:

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Not to worry . I'm here , Taz .

This debate goes in circles .

But , have you seen anyone write that Max should be stopped from participating in these activities ?
Wouldn't you think that someone should should be outraged that he might still be meeting with these girls(well , maybe not one of them) ?

As far as Max's secrets go , they're out . We're not likely to hear any more details , if that's what folks are worried about .
The issue here is not the depravity , but rather , that it's out .

Max is more than suggesting that he was stung by someone inside F1 .
This is not a case of digging up the past . This is a case of someone allegedly paying someone else to publicly humiliate them for the express purpose of ousting him from his position as head of the FIA .
This is a hit at the fundamental rights to privacy for any individual .

Rather than disparage , I believe Max should be applauded for not only trying to sort this out , but for going to great lengths to find the cowardly swine that stooped this low .

If that person or group is still in the pitlane , I hope they are looking nervously over their shoulder .

That is an expose I will read in full .


I vote for Pole , Taz . He seems sensible enough .

Baggy.

I can't see how you can applaud a man that has been exposed as a liar and broken his promise. As Arrows says, it shows a distinct lack of moral fibre. How can he be trusted is what people will say?

What I find incrediable is how he was trusted before all this nonsense with his track record.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

No I'm not saying that because I fully agree he had a right to keep it secret, but saying he is not ashamed suggests this is something about which there was no reason for secrecy. That's different to saying he should have publicly declared his activities.

The reality is Max knew all along that his private life was something he had to keep secret because were it to be made public it would damage him privately and professionally, and it has. Despite that he appears to have taken no personal responsibility for what has happened.

Is it entirely unrelated to his work though? We're talking about someone who was prepared to deceive those closest to him for decades. Knowing that, would you have full confidence and trust in someone prepared to behave in that way?

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I can't say how he truely feels, because I can't get inside his head. But he has said he is not ashamed of what he did. I disagree with the fact that it suggests there is no need for secrecy, I personally wouldn't want everyone knowing who I'd slept with in the past, I'm not ashamed of it, but its my private business.

He knew he had to keep it secret, because he's clever, he knows leakage of this information would make headlines. In much the same way a sex tape of him and his wife would. Only difference here is that what he was caught doing something against societies "norm".

And no, why should he take responsibility? If you agree his privacy was breached, then you can't expect him to take responsibility.

If a woman is raped, and its made public, everyone will gossip about her, should she take responsibility for the fact that its been made public?

Be honest with yourself here Arrows, you seem unenable to detach yourself from your moral judgement to realist judgement of law. The fact you go on about his deception to his family highlights this fact for me.

Is there any solid evidence that his position has been compromised in quantitive terms since these relevations?

Rod Stewart has been married several times. Therefore breaking his vows to several women, does this mean that he cannot be trusted? Of course not, its his personal life, you cannot and should not judge someones professional capability on their private life, you should judge them on their professional capability.

If people decide Max should go for professional reasons, fair enough, but absolutely no way he should go because of this.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Because he was breaking a promise he made to her when they married.

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That statement tells me all I need to know to make an informed opinion about the man. Can we not now see why he should not be trusted with business decisions (promises if you like) when he casually casts aside his own marriage vows?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That statement tells me all I need to know to make an informed opinion about the man. Can we not now see why he should not be trusted with business decisions (promises if you like) when he casually casts aside his own marriage vows?

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So would I be right in saying you believe anyone with a divorce under their name should not be trusted with business decisions?

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

So would I be right in saying you believe anyone with a divorce under their name should not be trusted with business decisions?

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If the divorce was as a result of adultery for example, then the same principle applies, yes. If it is because two people have genuinely fallen out of love and split amicably then it is whole different kettle of anchovies....

It's trust and integrity that is at the crux of this argument, isn't it? Max broke the trust betwixt himself and his wife, his integrity is in tatters as a result of the way he has 'serially' broken that trust and sought to keep his infidelity hidden from what ought to be the most important person in your life.

If you think that is testicles, then therin lies the answer - in part - to the general erosion of moral society the world over - i.e. no-one (or at least very few) give a 5h!t anymore.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

If the divorce was as a result of adultery for example, then the same principle applies, yes. If it is because two people have genuinely fallen out of love and split amicably then it is whole different kettle of anchovies....

It's trust and integrity that is at the crux of this argument, isn't it? Max broke the trust betwixt himself and his wife, his integrity is in tatters as a result of the way he has 'serially' broken that trust and sought to keep his infidelity hidden from what ought to be the most important person in your life.

If you think that is testicles, then therin lies the answer - in part - to the general erosion of moral society the world over - i.e. no-one (or at least very few) give a 5h!t anymore.

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Well, what can I say. I'm glad we don't have people like you running the country. Where every man and woman who has cheated on their wife / husband is sacked from their jobs if they're in a management job, loses their income, quite possibly home.

Can I ask if you'd like adultery seen as a criminal activity?

I also take that your for trial by moral judgement, and not whether its legal or illegal?

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Well, what can I say. I'm glad we don't have people like you running the country. Where every man and woman who has cheated on their wife / husband is sacked from their jobs if they're in a management job, loses their income, quite possibly home.

Can I ask if you'd like adultery seen as a criminal activity?

I also take that your for trial by moral judgement, and not whether its legal or illegal?

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I just believe that honesty and integrity should be seen as strengths and not weaknesses, and certainly not accepted as the norm. If everyone acted in a proper manner perhaps the world would be in a much healthier state.

But you carry on championing the cause of the corrupt and unjust - it's your right as a human you know! ;)

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Well, what can I say. I'm glad we don't have people like you running the country. Where every man and woman who has cheated on their wife / husband is sacked from their jobs if they're in a management job, loses their income, quite possibly home.

Can I ask if you'd like adultery seen as a criminal activity?

I also take that your for trial by moral judgement, and not whether its legal or illegal?

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In fact - are you suggesting that getting married in a Church, and swearing vows in front of all my family and friends was a complete waste of time and money, because, as you see it, somewhere down the line I'm gonna fcuk it all up by doing something I shouldn't behind my wife's back, betraying her and risking a secure family environment for my kids?

You think it acceptable to cursorily brush off untrustworthy behaviour towards your wife but expect someone to be more trustworthy in their work ethic.

To quote ioan - 'bollocks'

You know it, I know it and the rest of 'em know it. Temptation - wether it be some bird with big 'Bristols' and a whip, or a short old guy with white hair brandishing 'wet dreams' worth of cash, a flawed character will cast aside reason and go for the 'prize' every time.

Even without drinking Billies Kool Aid a moron can work that out....

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

...you cannot and should not judge someones professional capability on their private life, you should judge them on their professional capability.

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I disagree. I simply do not think that actions and attitudes in a private life can be entirely disassociated from actions and attitudes in a public life. They are formed from a part of the same character.

I also do not think that the victim of rape can, or should, in any way be compared with Max Mosley's situation.

Has Max admitted to having sexual intercourse with these S&Mer's?
If not how can you call it adultery. Even if he has, it's not up to the NotW
to force a confession!

BTW Since this all went down Max seems to be the only person of authority that is acting sane on the future of F1 JMHO

Pole P. welcome to The Sensible Seven :)

Does it show any character that Max , despite his propensity for doing these things , kept it secret for 40 years ?
I'm just wondering where the judgement begins and ends .

It might have been kept secret until the very end and beyond , had someone not wanted to embarass him by taking pictures .

You folks had nout to say about his sexual behavior before someone sold those pictures .

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Originally Posted by Tazio

Pole P. welcome to The Sensible Seven :)

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Yes , welcome , Pole .


I will assume you told him about the initation rituals , Taz .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Yes , welcome , Pole .


I will assume you told him about the initation rituals , Taz .

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Yep.

Drop them, assume the position and take one for the team.

Here it comes

<WHACK>
<WHACK>
<WHACK>
<WHACK>
<WHACK>

(For some reason, this club doesn't appeal to me ;) )

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Yes , welcome , Pole .


I will assume you told him about the initation rituals , Taz .

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Naw I think will just grandfather him in! Or maybe Godfather him in.
Plus Tamberello is the enforcer. :p :
PP has a repreive untill Tamb' returns from holiday. :)

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Yep.

Drop them, assume the position and take one for the team.

Here it comes

<WHACK>
<WHACK>
<WHACK>
<WHACK>
<WHACK>

(For some reason, this club doesn't appeal to me ;) )

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I'm not sure about the clubs to which you belong , Knock , but if those are the initiation rituals to which you're used , then you're not invited in this club .
What if someone were to catch you doing that ? hee hee .

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Pole P. welcome to The Sensible Seven :)

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How many members now? Time for a club name change perhaps....