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Originally Posted by Zico
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And the Russian Federation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
Now it seems Bernie has finally said Max should go but at the end of the year.....something about wife's birthday party being inconvienced by max being president of the Fia or whatever
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67875
Actually, I think he ought to leave three weeks on Tuesday, it'll lessen the FIA's embarrasment. :p :
If he is to go, do it now, don't let it drag on like a badly written Coronation Street storyline! ;)
Hmmm, if we play our cards right, Max could be cast as Ken's sleazy brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Get Granada on the phone pronto!
This parts are the best ones:
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"The last thing most people involved in the sport, including the clubs, would want to see is Max in a position where he could be forced to stand down," Ecclestone told the Telegraph.
"I don't want to see that. I've been a friend of Max for 40 years. I would hate to see him go in this way after all he has done for the sport."
Now, who would call those people friends?!Quote:
Ecclestone emphasized that Mosley will not be able to carry his job any further because his reputation has been tarnished. And the Briton revealed even among friends, Mosley is being shunned.
Does Bernie know what "friend" means? I highly doubt it, as it was always clear that his only friend is "money".
Well, he is being punished for the wrong reasons and his "40 year long friend" is backstabbing him most instead of standing by him when he needs support! Why is that?!Quote:
"Max is being punished for the wrong reasons. He has done a first-class job as president. Like all of us he has made some mistakes but 90 per cent of the decisions he has taken have been to the benefit of all. He deserves to be remembered for all the positive work he has done, not for an expose in a tabloid newspaper.
This is why:
Bernie is afraid that Max gets the vote and stays, and he isn't anymore Bernie's friend after all that happened.Quote:
"That is why he should announce his decision to resign now and not go through with a vote of confidence. That is not in his best interests, the FIA's or the sport's."
I'm almost sure that Bernie is one of those who helped catch Max with his pants down.
"Max is being punished for the wrong reasons. He has done a first-class job as president. Like all of us he has made some mistakes but 90 per cent of the decisions he has taken have been to the benefit of all. He deserves to be remembered for all the positive work he has done, not for an expose in a tabloid newspaper." -Autosport
Bernie says he should go for this reason , yet he states clearly that he has done a "first class job" .
"He's being punished for the wrong reasons" .
Bernie's reasoning leaves something to be desired .
Unless he feels that Max should go for some other reason . What about that other 10% of decisions that have not "been to the benefit of all " . Is that reason enough ?
Is that a positive enough way to go ?
Is it reasonably positive , or positively reasonable ?
He should go because of the expose , but nobody should remember that he went because of the expose , because that wouldn't be a positive way to remember all his 90% positive deeds .
Don't ask for the vote , Max , says Bernard , and we can sit down and hash this ol' agreement out before you go in the fall .
Is that the compromise ?
You're embarassing , but we'll work with you , until we get an agreement we like . That "we" , by the way , means "me" .
You're not fit to be seen with , but we'll sit with you and ask you to perform a role that we see you unfit to continue . That is , until we get the important bits worked out . Then you can pi$$ off .
No pressure , you understand . It's just that you'll lose your plum position a year early . That's all .
If ever there was a good time to say this.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
....'all's fair in love and war' ;)
Bernie can see the money haemmoraging out of his wallet!!! :p :
That's it !Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That's how they can get rid of Max .
If he's Bernie's friend , and Bernie is caught for this sting , then consorting with someone like that would could be seen as "bringing the sport into dis-repute" .
And there were also reports, at the Turkish GP I think, that Bernie was trying to get all the F1 teams to sign a petition asking Max to leave. There were however 3 teams who refused to do so.
And he calls himself a "friend", the little $€£&$€£ !
[quote="Bagwan"]
Unless he feels that Max should go for some other reason .
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I thought the real reason was the reason he gave: "My wife had invited Max to her birthday party, (but) she was told to ask Max not to appear because of the embarrassment it might cause to a number of corporate guests." :rolleyes: :mad:
:laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Good one!
In fact it's nice to see how Bernie throws out his "friends" in order to please the corporate guests at his wife's birthday party!
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Originally Posted by SGWilko
Do you think the courts will see it that way ?
How is Bernie losing ?
The whole world is focussing on F1 , about an issue utterly un-related to the sport .
The most serious repurcussions have been his missing shaking hands with dignitaries . That's hardly having much effect on the sport .
Except for busying all the governing bodies with a silly vote about an extramarital tryst , spending oodles on Paris hotel rooms , there hasn't been any need for any money spent by the FIA .
How's about a holiday , kids ? We ask only that you vote Max out , and that you refrain from the use of the "alternate menu" , as escorts are knid of a touchy subject at present .
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Originally Posted by markabilly
No , no , no .
Bernie was worried that Max would recognise the girl coming out of the birthday cake .
Funny, especially in the current context where we have the ADAC ( German Automobile Club) being one of the strongest opponents of Max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Not so long ago there was a press release in Germany about how the Deutsche Bank (or was it the Telekom? don't remember exactly which one) decided to cut the money its highest level managers were receiving for extra-marital prances while on work related trips! :D
Ha! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Please, tell me how you arrived at this logic.
Bernie's problem is that Max's exploits are bad press for F1, the FIA, and bad news for his and FOM's finances. Otherwise he had no problem with Max.
He's probably doing Max a favour by telling him to go, because Mosley's bad press is not going to stop even if he 'wins' in two days time.
The simple fact is that the outcome isn't going to be determined by who 'wins', but by who loses less.
I thought it was the other way around - that the girl would recognise Max :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
I also like this part: ""Since the story broke I have been under enormous pressure from the people who invest in Formula One, sponsors and manufacturers, over this issue," Ecclestone told the newspaper."
However sad this may sound, F1 now is all about money and it has been for quite some time.
The days of Stirling Moss running around in a privately owned one year old Lotus are long, long gone.
Time for another poll perhaps?? Will he win or will Max lose the vote???
After all, bernie's real concern is that russia seems to not want Max, and that could spoil another money dream of Bernie, running a GP in russia where the tobacco ads run wild and free everywhere....Ferrari could suddenly sprout those marlboro ads all over again, like china
Ahh yes. True friends ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
I hope Max sues NOTW for all they're worth. It didn't expose any hypocrisy on Max's part, unlike if it were the ex-New York mayor on his "moral" crusade. It was merely to defame Max for defamations sake. Given a few months all this will be water under the bridge.
But as Alain Prost said, "Judge Mosely on his ability" - and THAT is why I want him gone. His hypocritical decisions in the last few years (such as "cost cutting" then bringing in the 2.4L V8's) and his inability to cater for other sports that FIA governs (look at where WRC is, as a large consequence of poor rulemaking) is why I want him gone. I think he has become lost in his own greed, rather than actually doing what is the best for motorsport.
http://www.sportspromedia.com/mosley.htm
Can the NOTW be sued successfully for invasion of privacy if they did not instigate the recording of the orgy. If they merely were approached by one of the female participants, they are just printing an expose are they not?Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
This thread is not for discussing that "orgy" ...thank you :rolleyes:
I don't know. But I suppose if it was that black and white as to give a yes/no answer you wouldn't need massive legal teams for this matter. And for some reason I think they do :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
If he's suing in a French court over a British newspaper over an event that happened in Britain, and he is British - surely he could sue in any country if there was an advantage in doing so?
$$$$$? Because he can file for criminal charges this way too?Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
After some consideration, I'm sure it's his aim to prevent the FIA from seeing it first and foremost in the general meetings, so if he gets a French court injunction against the video he will do that. Although, they all can view the video in other countries, so I'm not sure how effective this option will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Well, NOTW sent a DVD of the 'incident' to all FIA delegates, plus, French Judge said while he could order the recall of all copies of NOTW in France, there is nowt he can do about the online footage.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
The certified half-wit has a 100 quid note bet on , that Max will still be in his position at the end of the week , and that is some serious coin for a Scot .
Going by your logics Bernie should have been the first to want mcLaren thrown out of F1 because they were giving "bad press for F1, the FIA, and bad news for his and FOM's finances".Quote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
However he did protect them against Mosley's wrath.
Bernie says he's Max's friend and so on, not even a week ago he was declaring war to Max! :rolleyes:
Bernie is the cancer of F1, even having a fortune of £ billions built on the back of F1 teams, some of them going out of business because lack of funds, isn't enough to the poisonous dwarf.
What Max was saying about the commercial rights negotiation with Bernie is the truth, and Bernie wants Max out in order to put one of his own men there to facilitate the terms of the new contract.
Max knows who set him up and his attitude towards Bernie suggests that the later might be involved in the sting.
In fact due to the EU legislation (that overrides any member countries legislation) the legal court decisions taken in any member country are to be respected in the other countries, baning it in France means it would be banned in whole EU, but not on a russian, chinese, us or any non EU internet site.Quote:
Originally Posted by theugsquirrel
Do you have a link for this please? Not that I don't believe you - I just want to reassure myself that you are correct in this. I find it very difficult to believe that a court decision taken in England would hold in Turkey, say. But then, I am willing to believe you if you can provide some reference for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Not quite mr dog whisperer sir. ;) In fact, the letter from Max to the member states, attempting to turn the 3rd June vote of confidence into something else, said in as many words that the FIA was in fact at war from FOM the CRH etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Bernie has since moved to dispel this myth, setting the record straight that there is no 'war'.
Bernie I think has been embarrassed by his 'mate', certainly the 'Crown Prince of Bahrain and the overheard phone call from Max' (look out JK, that's a great Potter book title!) was bit of a humdinger in itself.
But Bernard is in it for the money, he does care a little for the teams though. :)
...................only because without the teams, there's no money :(
The Supreme court of Germany does not agree with your view.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Turkey is not a member of the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Or so Max hopes? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
In any event, if Max is a sudden departure as a result of the vote, it will suddenly mean we have far less of interesting, hot debates about certain personalities.
No Max v. Ron, no more Max & Bernie stuff, Max loves Ferrari, max this and Max that...
All because of something that has little or nothing to do with actual motorsports
No trouble billy-boy , half-wit doesn't even believe he'll be gone .
If Max looks like leaving , there will be more worms flying about than any can could hold .
Watch Bernard try to close this affair down now , before it's too late .
Max's offer was next fall , and Bernie's was this fall .
Believe the press , and they have the FIA wanting it now .
It's one hell of a poker game , and everyone will be wondering if they'll ever get to see Max's hand .
Has this turned into an advertisement by Phones 4 you ( :up: :down: :up :) or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
yeah, yeah.
Surprised the NOTW did not carry another juicy tidbit on Max this Sunday, that would have been a good time to do any knife twisting.
Turkey is not part of the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Turkey is a 'candidate' country.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Tries to contest some decisions may arise in extreme cases, however that doesn't change the legislation, and EU countries have to accept the court decisions given by the other members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Yes it is, but it is no member of the EU. And it will not become one until they don't change lots of things, one of the most important being the justice system (they have to make it compatible with the European one)!Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko