Alonso hints at get-out clause WHY ?

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11th January 2008, 03:56
CNR

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Neither is he to be found in a senior management position at Ferrari proper where he was supposed to be 'promoted' to. I don't know what his current role is but he isn't the power he once was and neither do I believe he would have had the power to sign Massa again if LdM had wanted Alonso.

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Ferrari CEO Jean Todt

http://www.fosagold.org/F1SA/index.p...=4988&Itemid=2
11th January 2008, 05:49
tintop

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Why would Ferrari want Alonso?

Gee, I don't know, maybe because he's been the highest scoring driver over the past 3 years?? Beating MS/Ferrari/FIA collectively. Kind of makes sense, no?
11th January 2008, 13:29
markabilly

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Don't you worry about me, you look out for No. 1. :dozey:

KR seems to be looking out for himself pretty good lately....i think he quit the kool aid more than a year ago when he left mac.....try it sometime, but you need to be off it for a good six months. :o
11th January 2008, 13:35
markabilly

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

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As has been mentioned elsewhere it is not Ferrari policy to have two top drivers in competition but to have one who is willing to hold a secondary position like Massa. Alonso does not fit into this picture at all.

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well you finally got one thing absolutely right... :D ..there are drivers and there are champions...
11th January 2008, 13:53
samuratt

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

That sounds to me like a conflict of interest. Personally, I think they re-signed Massa because not only is he a proven race winner, but he is prepared to play the team game.

Todt's manouvering for his Son's sake is the conflict of interest, and even I do not think that low of Todt to accuse him of such underhand tactics......

So you do think that Massa's signing back in 2005 was only because of his outstanding drives in a Sauber???? do you really think that Jean todt and his son had nothing to do with it??? if yes, then you are quite naive.

Abobut the resignment, as i previously posted could be the result of Massa giving up a win at his home track to make Rainkonen champion, but i am sure that Jean todt and his son had somehitng to do again. In fact both should have carried the disccusion to make the arraegment. Did they doi it in Todt's ship (if he has one)???? XD
11th January 2008, 14:15
samuratt

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

Re: Alonso's comments to Dennis you can look for yourself. Ultimately what is important is that motorsports people believe that account as indicated by the Bourdais quote later. He didn't do himself any favours with his conduct at McLaren regardless of what Hamilton did.

Re: Massa, possibly but I doubt it.

Whilst Ferrari might be a nepotistic team they aren't stupid. This is a team that when looking for Schumacher's successor signed someone who was contracted up to the eyeballs with McLaren in Kimi. If they had really wanted Alonso they'd have signed him when they had a free seat and he wanted to quit McLaren, ie 2007, not leave him free to sign a contract with another team. Chances like that don't happen often.

I also believe that from mid-2007 onwards Todt was sidelined from main F1 operations, certainly at a management level. Just as McLaren's 2008 launch was interesting because of Bernie's presence, the 2008 Ferrari launch was interesting because of Todt's absence. The guy who steered Ferrari for more than a decade was nowhere to be seen. Neither is he to be found in a senior management position at Ferrari proper where he was supposed to be 'promoted' to. I don't know what his current role is but he isn't the power he once was and neither do I believe he would have had the power to sign Massa again if LdM had wanted Alonso.

Another thing is that Ferrari have been utterly utterly consistent about Alonso in that they have stated that he does not have the right temperament for Ferrari (even from when he was at Renault) whilst singing Kimi's praises. As has been mentioned elsewhere it is not Ferrari policy to have two top drivers in competition but to have one who is willing to hold a secondary position like Massa. Alonso does not fit into this picture at all.

Alonso at Ferrari is never going to happen unless something untoward was to happen to Kimi.

So finally you admit there is no proof of Fernando blackmailing McLaren??? for me that is enough.

I do admit that Fernando did not do himself any favor by whining.

About Massa, i already said what I think. The truth we will never know, so having different opinion is not that bad :)

About Ferrari signing Fernando. Well you can be right, or you can be wrong! who knows??? As far as I know, but do not ask me for a proof, Todt did wanted to sign Fernando back in 2002 as a test driver, but Flavio came into the picture and offered a test role for one year and a race drive for the next. Fernando chose Renault and to Todt's pride (which is huge) that was a blown he had never recovered from. But i do agree with you that as long as Kimi is at Ferrari Fernando won't drive a red car.
11th January 2008, 15:50
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by samuratt

So you do think that Massa's signing back in 2005 was only because of his outstanding drives in a Sauber???? do you really think that Jean todt and his son had nothing to do with it??? if yes, then you are quite naive.

Abobut the resignment, as i previously posted could be the result of Massa giving up a win at his home track to make Rainkonen champion, but i am sure that Jean todt and his son had somehitng to do again. In fact both should have carried the disccusion to make the arraegment. Did they doi it in Todt's ship (if he has one)???? XD

No, I think they wanted a return on their investment in him. Not everything in F1 has to be sinister you know. ;)
11th January 2008, 16:02
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by Dylan H

As has been mentioned elsewhere it is not Ferrari policy to have two top drivers in competition but to have one who is willing to hold a secondary position like Massa. Alonso does not fit into this picture at all.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

well you finally got one thing absolutely right... :D ..there are drivers and there are champions...

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Originally Posted by Stefano Domenicali

"We have our drivers who start (the new season) on an equal basis," he said. "They are going to play it out with their own chances of victory, and there are no changes from this point of view. They are both on an equal basis."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64580
11th January 2008, 16:19
markabilly

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/64580

Sub-titled: ferrari boss drinking RD kool aid.......so maybe Kimi's cup runneth over...or is it half full or half empty....???

Just when I thought it was safe to quit....
11th January 2008, 16:49
SGWilko

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Just when I thought it was safe to quit....

Sorry everyone. :laugh:

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