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12th December 2007, 18:39
Priorat

From what I perceive from people outside the rally fans world, they know about and turn some attention when Rally Monte-Carlo, Sweden, Finland or RAC are running like they know when the Dakar, Monaco GP F1, the football championships or the Olimpic Games are on.
But they know nothing about the rest.
So Imo, a win in one of these rallys may give more exposure to manufacturers than wining the whole championship, not to say wining in Bulgaria.
So Imo, these classics should stay and make them look like something special like Dakar is to RallyRaid or Monaco Gp to F1.
12th December 2007, 18:39
jparker

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Originally Posted by Tomi

And the there is those who knows the difference of a lousy organised rally and a good one, and who like to go and spectate good ones.

The new rallies in Poland, Russia, and Bulgaria have been under observation by FIA officials for many years. Bulgaria hosts ERC (20) event for about 40 years. I guess FIA will not accept these events if they don't comply with what's required. If you don't like going in other countries, that's your problem.
12th December 2007, 18:49
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priorat

From what I perceive from people outside the rally fans world, they know about and turn some attention when Rally Monte-Carlo, Sweden, Finland or RAC are running like they know when the Dakar, Monaco GP F1, the football championships or the Olimpic Games are on.
But they know nothing about the rest.
So Imo, a win in one of these rallys may give more exposure to manufacturers than wining the whole championship, not to say wining in Bulgaria.
So Imo, these classics should stay and make them look like something special like Dakar is to RallyRaid or Monaco Gp to F1.

There is very little to be gain in well established market, therefore you don't know much about what "gain" means for manufacturer. But I agree, the classic rallies should not rotate, as long as they want it.
12th December 2007, 18:51
Tomi

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Originally Posted by jparker

The new rallies in Poland, Russia, and Bulgaria have been under observation by FIA officials for many years. Bulgaria hosts ERC (20) event for about 40 years. I guess FIA will not accept these events if they don't comply with what's required. If you don't like going in other countries, that's your problem.

I dont have problem with new rallies, but I dont see the point why to rotate well organised rallies, before they did vote the best rallies every year, rotating the 3 lousiest organised would be ok and fair for those who make the events more than just a try to attract tourists, it would courage the other to do a better job too.
What comes to visiting other countries to Poland i have been 8-10 times and 2 times to Russia + some 30 other countries not that it has anything to do with it, WRC events I have been watching about 30 something live, not from in front of PC.
12th December 2007, 19:19
Priorat

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Originally Posted by jparker

There is very little to be gain in well established market, therefore you don't know much about what "gain" means for manufacturer. But I agree, the classic rallies should not rotate, as long as they want it.

I agree. I know nothing about manufacturers gains or bussines. But I don't think Mitsubishi and VW do the Dakar to open new markets in the desert or Renault tries to win Monaco GP to sell Clios in the Principality. They do because of the big name of the race and that sells a lot me thinks. So the same could be done with the classics. They already have the name. Now they only need to convert them to a bigger challenge so people turn they heads when somebody wins them. Could be something like tennis with the Grand Slam.
12th December 2007, 19:29
Daniel

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Originally Posted by jparker

The new rallies in Poland, Russia, and Bulgaria have been under observation by FIA officials for many years. Bulgaria hosts ERC (20) event for about 40 years. I guess FIA will not accept these events if they don't comply with what's required. If you don't like going in other countries, that's your problem.

I for one don't want to visit an unknown quantity. I've been to Finland twice now and I know what I'm getting plus the event has been run since before Jesus was born (Jesus Puras. Not the son of God Jesus). But go to a country which has never hosted a WRC event and I don't know what I'm going to get. Are the stages going to get cancelled because they don't have enough marshals and are people going to understand that standing on the outside of a corner is dangerous and so on.....

Well nothing's stopping me from going to Finland for two weeks again. Just means I won't be able to fit a rally in at the same time. Oh well.....
12th December 2007, 19:41
jparker

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Originally Posted by Daniel

..........But go to a country which has never hosted a WRC event and I don't know what I'm going to get. Are the stages going to get cancelled because they don't have enough marshals and are people going to understand that standing on the outside of a corner is dangerous and so on.....

You know, some people learn things very quickly. I guess you don't know that because it took you a lot of visits to Finland to learn where to stand.
12th December 2007, 19:42
Daniel

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Originally Posted by jparker

You know, some people learn things very quickly. I guess you don't know that because it took you a lot of visits to Finland to learn where to stand.

What are you on about? :rolleyes:
12th December 2007, 19:44
jparker

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Originally Posted by Tomi

I dont have problem with new rallies, but I dont see the point why to rotate well organised rallies, before they did vote the best rallies every year, rotating the 3 lousiest organised would be ok and fair for those who make the events more than just a try to attract tourists, it would courage the other to do a better job too.
What comes to visiting other countries to Poland i have been 8-10 times and 2 times to Russia + some 30 other countries not that it has anything to do with it, WRC events I have been watching about 30 something live, not from in front of PC.

Well, then keep your comments after you visit one of these new events, not now. If you don't know, you don't tell.
12th December 2007, 19:48
jparker

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What are you on about? :rolleyes:

How many reallies did you visit before you learn not to stand outside of turn?

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